But you have yet to really say why you think so.Originally Posted by Phaedrus
But you have yet to really say why you think so.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
That's another topic. Let's just say that I have studied both his philosophy and his life quite intensively for a couple of weeks quite recently, and Schopenhauer exhibits all the typical ILI traits to a high degree. His personality and life attitude almost scream ILI, actually.
My mistake. I meant in regards to Lao Tzu, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on Schopenhauer in another thread.
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I can not assure you that Lao Tzu was an ILI. He could very well have been one, but I am only sure of Schopenhauer and Pirsig.
I agree. I couldn't have said it better myself.Taoism is, in my opinion, undoubtably IP. It seems to be a combination ofand
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Word, brother. Though perhaps Lee saw in Taoism a missing part of himself (under the assumption that he was probably an ESxp) and saw the Ip side as the completion. That probably sounds quite ridiculous (what? Was Taoism INxp all of a sudden? I leave that open) but it's about what he *saw* in it. Not the words or names but what is. Unadorned simplicity, lacking in the intricacies of overdone thought or action (wu-wei).
Though I laughed to myself that the last sentence of Mr. Lee's sounded an awful lot like Wittgenstein and throwing aside the ladder (who I believe to be INTp).
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
One of the reasons why I am curious about this is that the goal of Taoism is essentially to obtain a state of being in relation to the world and whether or not this relates to statics and dynamics. I am hoping that the purpose of these threads becomes more obvious (though somehow I doubt it will without some clarification) with the next few people I end up posting in threads.
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Taoism is dynamic fo sho.
Ep/Ip, though not limited in that respect. That's sort of it's thang, IMO.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Ip is dynamic.
Ep needs dynamism.
The quote made me think that Lee had found something he did not have, rather than had it from the get go. That likely sounds retarded.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Fields > Objects.
To be flexible and mindful to the ways of the world in order to be in harmony with it is Dynamic.
This is probably why multiple people will say that Taoism is reflective of an IP temperament.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
I agree. But Tao is not Taoism. Taoism reflectsTo call the Tao merely
Neither of course.If Taoism reflects
In summary, he seems to advocate an anti-authoritarian movement and has a relaxed and live-and-let-live attitude which I associate with Delta. Moreover, he has weak Fe and Ti preferences:
-The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be.
-The true free living human-being is the one that achieves his dream without depending on someone.
-When you are content to be simply yourself and don't compare or compete, everybody will respect you.
By any chance are you Taoist?
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Just curious as you seemed to be knowledgeable about it, but it was a sort of knowledge from experience angle.
Interesting that you should say that here, though hkkmr is right: EP is static.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
By the way, I love this topic and this discussion, guys. Kudos to Logos for bringing it up and hkkmr for forcing me to consider things.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Has anything truer been said?
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Does that not imply a state?
Is it really clear that it is IP?I actually said that I think Taoism is IP, which is more clear than it beingmight be devalued to some extent -- or at least leading-
Is that really easily recognizable as IP?Common themes in Taoist literature include:All of the above should be recognisably IP. I can't think of any example that would actually contradict that.
- Conserving energy
- Acting only when necessary, knowing when to act
- Wu Wei -- acting without expending energy unnecessarily (roughly!)
- Taking a passive, purely reactive stance in relation to the universe (this implies an assumption that the universe is Dynamic, else a reactive stance isn't really necessary)
Where did this come from?
Typical characteristics
- calm, balanced and inert
- "unflappable"
- rigid but not very fast gait
- may appear passive-aggressive
- usually very stable mood
- more reactive than active
- little inclination to fidget during long periods of inactivity
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yes. It is extremely clear that it is IP. You can use it as a test to see if you understand the IP temperament correctly.
But Salawa's listing of why this is an IP philosophy reflects more closely an IJ temperament.
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