ENTP or ENFP?

[Gilly]

I'm pretty good at detecting others' motives. Well, maybe not so much what their motive is, but more that they have a hidden motive (only when they really have one, of course; I'm not paranoid).

[discojoe]

Lol. I know an ENFp who is a lawyer. He's very good at debating. You can't type someone simply by their apparent behavior.

Also, I am quite good at seeing peoples' motives. In fact, I am excellent at it.

[Gilly]

But see, you're an ENTP (a rather cocky one at that, from what I've seen), so of course you wouldn't admit to being inadequate at anything.

Then again, if I'm ENTp, I could very well be doing the same thing.

Is it possible that I'm an ENFP even if I'm not super-sweet and nice to everyone? I really think I'm somewhere between the two, or at least I don't fall into either stereotype/extreme.

[Topaz]

But see, you're an ENTP (a rather cocky one at that, from what I've seen), so of course you wouldn't admit to being inadequate at anything.

Then again, if I'm ENTp, I could very well be doing the same thing.

Is it possible that I'm an ENFP even if I'm not super-sweet and nice to everyone? I really think I'm somewhere between the two, or at least I don't fall into either stereotype/extreme.

well I dont consider myself Super Sweet and Nice. I should hope Im not seen as obsiquious. The super sweet and nice ones are the types.

Now that I think about it when I was younger I went through a period where I was much more sarcastic, argumentative and critical. It was more of a defence mechanism than my true nature. When I started to feel more secure with myself I no longer needed to protect myself like that so now Im a bit nicer, much less reactive. So like Blaze said when you get more comfortable with yourself you'll begin to see who you really are more clearly. Dont rush it and dont pick yourself apart. Just relax and do what you feel is the right thing to do. In time, as you observe yourself and others you'll begin to see your own pattern. It may be that you are comfortable with yourself now. If it is not causing you any problems (and not a problem for anyone else) just go with that. In time you'll see.

[Gilly]

But I'm not all that sensitive either. I mean, I don't take kindly to being made fun of (obviously), and I can sometimes find it hard to take objective criticism when it's from someone I don't see as very competent, but I'm really not touchy or anything like that. I can be pretty opinionated sometimes, and a downright bastard others.

I feel like I'm kinda starting to repeat myself. Maybe I should just let my type be a mystery o_O

[Topaz]

I feel kind of akward. I thougt Blaze was refering to you as female, then Disco Joe started refering to you as male. So then I was confused. I looked again at your psuedonmy which I thought was gillian87 but its gilliagan, like Gilliagan's Island, so youre a guy right? Now you said you dont get upset easy!

[diamond]

Just sit right back and we'll take a trip . . .

[Kim]

I would say ENTp. Like Rocky, I'm not really picking up .

For what it's worth.

[Topaz]

Just sit right back and we'll take a trip . . .

No, its "Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a faithful trip....."

[Gilly]

<----Guy

[diamond]

Just sit right back and we'll take a trip . . .

No, its "Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a faithful trip....."

Oh that's right.

[discojoe]

ENTP:
-I love to debate

ENFps "love" debate too.

-I'm very objective in making most decisions

This is something ENFps love to tell themselves. I don't harbor such self-deception.

-I'm not usually too emotional

Of course you aren't. You've developed your logic so much that you are no longer ruled by irrationality.

-I can make a logical argument about nearly anything

Actually, there is a HUGE difference between logic and bullshit.

ENFP:
-I can be really, really bubbly when I'm around people I'm comfortable with
-I'm not very restrained
-I'm a really good public speaker
-I'm not gushy, but I can overreact to negative criticism and take it too personally/let it affect me
-I don't take being made fun of very well

And yep, ENFp.

[Gilly]

Joe, I'm sorry your mommy still hits you and throws the remote control when you don't do the dishes, but please, take it somewhere else.

[discojoe]

Joe, I'm sorry your mommy still hits you and throws the remote control when you don't do the dishes, but please, take it somewhere else.

Yeah, poor attempt at wit and being clever = ENFp.

[Joy]

gilligan87, I was was leaning more toward ENFp for you, but now it seems pretty obvious. Your reaction to discojoe VERY much points toward ENFp... ENTps react differently to him. ENFps seem to respond pretty much like you did in one way or another.

I, on the other hand, get along well with ENFps. ENFp is a good type to be.

[Gilly]

Is it possible that I just have a better developed than most ENTPs? Honestly, my beef from Joe comes not from being offended personally by him, but because he's being overly cynical and pretentious, and really just trying to get jollies out of pissing other people off.

[Joy]

I'd say it's more likely that you're an ENFp with well developed . ENTps don't resond to discojoe like that. They either find him amusing or ignore him. ENFps tend to be offended on one level or another.

Okay, would you be more likely to look down on a person for being mean or offensive, or for being stupid?

[Gilly]

I don't look down on people for being stupid, per se (even if I do feel better than them on one level or another); what I do look down on is people being irrational. When someone can't accept an argument that's logical because of subjective or dogmatic reasons, then I think of them as stupid.

However, being mean AND irrational (like Joe was doing) is what pisses me off the most. Can't stand it. There's no reason for it and it only serves to make the world shittier for a few people.

[discojoe]

Is it possible that I just have a better developed than most ENTPs? Honestly, my beef from Joe comes not from being offended personally by him, but because he's being overly cynical and pretentious, and really just trying to get jollies out of pissing other people off.

? No. This is a matter of . Believe it or not, I actually have a stronger than most ENTPs, which comes from being raised by an INFj dad. Why do I post the way I do? Not to offend people, but because I genuinely find what I post to be funny, and want to share it. My INTj posts are black humor, but I do not mean to actually offend; I am only trying to amuse people. My ENFp stereotyping is offensive, sure, but people who get offended by ANYTHING are only showcasing their lack of faith in their worldview. To become offended means to become emotional threatened, which means you feel as though your happiness is being threatened. This wouldn't happen if you were confident that your beliefs were sound. Being offended means being a bigot.

Do I believe all ENFps are bad people. Hell no. There are probably wonderful ENFps. The problem is ENFps I come across are so emotional and irrational that they deserve to get kicked in , right where it hurts, just like I sometimes need a good thrashing, as unpleasant as it may be.

[discojoe]

Also, EVERYONE'S actions are in some way irrational. But the kind of irrationality you are talking about is very rarely applicable to me.

[diamond]

Joe, I'm sorry your mommy still hits you and throws the remote control when you don't do the dishes, but please, take it somewhere else.

Yeah, poor attempt at wit and being clever = ENFp.

I don't think an enfp would say that though.

[ILENTp]

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[Joy]

See, ENTps find this funny.

EXACTLY

[Rocky]

I just want to say that I think some of you put too much stock into if he thinks discojoe's humor is funny, etc.. Joy, the trend in your own poll shows that it doesn't really matter if you are a thinker or a feeler; it seems the same preportionate of feelers find him funny-offessive as do the thinkers.

http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1969

[Joy]

I just want to say that I think some of you put too much stock into if he thinks discojoe's humor is funny, etc.. Joy, the trend in your own poll shows that it doesn't really matter if you are a thinker or a feeler; it seems the same preportionate of feelers find him funny-offessive as do the thinkers.

http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1969

I wouldn't find what he says so funny if I didn't know him so well, but I'd still find some of it funny and the rest wouldn't bother me. Honestly, the funny thing isn't what he says a lot of the time, but how people react... he directs the humor more than he actually makes jokes.

[HarryBottom]

I first I thought ENTP but as he goes further and further into describing himself he sounds more and more ENFP to me. And less ENTP. I'm not seeing the Ti.

[Gilly]

So maybe if I was in on it, I would find it funny. The fact that I was the subject of the humor doesn't really bother me now that I know what was going on, but honestly, does anyone take kindly to being taunted? Sure, I could ignore it, but I'm just not really a passive person.

I think this isn't the greatest example. My humor can be pretty off-color sometimes. I happen to have a particular aversion to people geting laughs at others' expenses. Wouldn't that be a thing anyways?

[Rocky]

I thought he was an ENTp based off of the arguments and debates he's had on ENTP.org. That, plus I don't get that genuine Fi feel from him. I think I've gotten a good feel for the Fi types around here with the ENFps and INFjs. You can tell with people like NFp-, Shrondinger's cat, Megan, Topaz etc... but I don't think Gilligan is a Delta. He doesn't seem to fit in with us.

[HarryBottom]

I happen to have a particular aversion to people geting laughs at others' expenses. Wouldn't that be a thing anyways?

It depends what you mean. ENFPs like to fuck with people's heads just to see what their reaction is. This goes along with the whole "social scientist" ENFP thing. They like to kind of "experiment" with other people.

I do the same time of thing but in a different manner. I sort of put myself in jeprody rather then others in order to get reactions. What I mean is that I'll say really weird ass stuff (What usually doesn't seem all that weird to me, but I just don't see "the line" that I keep crossing I guess) and then I'll laugh at it and I'll be the only one laughing at times but I don't really care. I often then get a lot off really weird glances from my ENFP friend.

If by this you mean like "making fun" of others, no, I don't think thats a Fe thing. The only time I could really see an Fe type in that kind of eituation is when an ESFJ is trying to fit in and laughs along or something like that. I think a lot of the cold critisism comes from Te types. Some Se types can be bluntly honest and poke funa little bit... but theres usually little harm in the way they do it or what they do.

[Gilly]

I was trying to say that disliking others having fun at the expense of another is .

[Gilly]

I think I've figured it out. I think I just want to be whatever it is people say I'm not.

...Can I be an ENFJ now? I do look like one...

[HarryBottom]

I was trying to say that disliking others having fun at the expense of another is .

Gotcha. Yah, I'll giva ya that.

[Gilly]

Which would mean that it's perfectly plausible for an ENTP to be just as empathetic as an ENFP, if not more so (the way I see it, ENFPs would be more prone to melodrama/frustration).

[Joy]

yes... I can read minds...

[Gilly]

Not really sure how to respond to that. Was that sarcasm?

[Joy]

Not really sure how to respond to that. Was that sarcasm?

Not at all. But for some reason my 7th function, Ni, is hyperactive.

#7 Function of Personal Knowledge
strong
accepting

This function will keenly observe and remember important information which may produce opinions or behavior that is agressive or arrogant. This function does not create, but adheres to observed behavior.

A number of people here know that I am a NeNi magical being.

[Gilly]

My www.socion.info tests always come out whacky because my Ni is almost as strong as my Ne.

[Joy]

me too

Did you read that PM conversation with detail that I posted a few pages back? We got into a lot of different differences between ENTps and ENFps. I honestly see you as an ENFp... even your sig says "ethical"...

[Joy]

Okay, I'm casting my official vote now... ENTp

[Topaz]

Ive always thought discojoe was the victim of childhood abuse I just ignore him. I dont find his humor very funny, nor do I find his reasoning very enlightening.