Model Φ and Phitypes - machintruc's research

[717495]

One question. Why the hell is it MBTI? Nice graph, but enneagram is nothing special to me.

[machintruc]

One question. Why the hell is it MBTI? Nice graph, but enneagram is nothing special to me.

This is no MBTI. This is 4-letter code for better readability.

[717495]

Yeah don't worry. I wasn't being literal. But what is the deal with enneagram anyway? I guess it's kind of cool at first, like oh that's how X type is, hm? Such a new perspective.

But it just gets inconsistent and useless after a while.

[717495]

Why can't LIIs be 7s?

"Don't tell me what to do."
"Appreciate my grand visions and listen to my stories."
"Engage with me in stimulating conversation and laughter."

Could be an LII.

[machintruc]

New version of GCPT, with... percentages of each combination !

[Kritik]

can you explain the graph for those who have no idea what they are looking at ?

[Azeroffs]

What proof is there for the certainty that some socion types can't be some Etypes? It makes sense, but closure is always nice.

[Azeroffs]

can you explain the graph for those who have no idea what they are looking at ?

-x- 4
0x- 5
+x- 9
-x0 6
0x0 1
+x0 2
-x+ 8
0x+ 3
+x+ 7

x-x sp
x0x so
x+x sx

[BlackCat]

There is somewhat of a correlation. Some socionics types may be more likely to be certain enneagram types, but they are two separate systems. Enneagram determines behavior basically. What I always say to keep it simple is socionics is the tool, enneagram is how the tool is used. Any socionics type can be any enneagram type.

[Kritik]

-x- 4
0x- 5
+x- 9
-x0 6
0x0 1
+x0 2
-x+ 8
0x+ 3
+x+ 7

x-x sp
x0x so
x+x sx

this doesn't help at all... I have no idea what all these numbers, pluses and minuses mean.

[Azeroffs]

this doesn't help at all... I have no idea what all these numbers, pluses and minuses mean.

The first slot is basically serotonin level which has to do with general positivity or negativity. The second slot is something else, I forget, but it has to do with instinct variant. The last slot is dopamine levels which has to do with energy level or inhibition level.

+ is high 0 is moderate - is low

The serotonin and dopamine levels determine type, and the middle slot determines instinctual variant.


For example, --- is 4sp +++(7sx) +0-(9so) -0+(8so) 000(1so) 0+-(5sx)

so -0-(social 4) is generally negative, moderate instinctual drive, and low energy/high inhibitions.

+++(intimate 7) has a positive outlook, high instinctual drive, and high energy/low inhibitions.

0-0(self-pres 1) has a moderate outlook, low instinctual drive and moderate energy/inhibitions.

[The Exception]

My top enneagram type is consistent with my socionics type. However, my lowest enneagram types are 2 and 8, not type 7.

[Azeroffs]

There is somewhat of a correlation. Some socionics types may be more likely to be certain enneagram types, but they are two separate systems. Enneagram determines behavior basically. What I always say to keep it simple is socionics is the tool, enneagram is how the tool is used. Any socionics type can be any enneagram type.

Idk, theoretically it does make sense that some socionic types can't be certain enneagram type.

For example a type 4 SLE?
or type 8 SEI?

such a person would be very confusing.

[machintruc]

Idk, theoretically it does make sense that some socionic types can't be certain enneagram type.

For example a type 4 SLE?
or type 8 SEI?

such a person would be very confusing.

Theoretically :

- Fours can't be SLE's. Never.
- SEI's can be stupid Eights only on very rare cases.

[Kritik]

The first slot is basically serotonin level which has to do with general positivity or negativity. The second slot is something else, I forget, but it has to do with instinct variant. The last slot is dopamine levels which has to do with energy level or inhibition level.

+ is high 0 is moderate - is low

The serotonin and dopamine levels determine type, and the middle slot determines instinctual variant.


For example, --- is 4sp +++(7sx) +0-(9so) -0+(8so) 000(1so) 0+-(5sx)

so -0-(social 4) is generally negative, moderate instinctual drive, and low energy/high inhibitions.

+++(intimate 7) has a positive outlook, high instinctual drive, and high energy/low inhibitions.

0-0(self-pres 1) has a moderate outlook, low instinctual drive and moderate energy/inhibitions.

any links with more info ? what are those 2s, 4s, 6s and 8s on the right ? what's 9so ? 5sx ?

It seems like you are explaining to someone who would know what you are talking about. Pretend for a second that I see this graph and all these numbers and letter for the first time.

[machintruc]

any links with more info ? what are those 2s, 4s, 6s and 8s on the right ? what's 9so ? 5sx ?

It seems like you are explaining to someone who would know what you are talking about. Pretend for a second that I see this graph and all these numbers and letter for the first time.

On the right, you find the number of possible sociotypes for each phitype.
On the bottom, you find the number of possible phitypes for each sociotype.

[Azeroffs]

Theoretically :

- Fours can't be SLE's. Never.
- SEI's can be stupid Eights only on very rare cases.

I agree, but I'm asking if you have any hard proof for that.

any links with more info ? what are those 2s, 4s, 6s and 8s on the right ? what's 9so ? 5sx ?

It seems like you are explaining to someone who would know what you are talking about. Pretend for a second that I see this graph and all these numbers and letter for the first time.

9so = social nine
5sx = intimate five

I assumed you knew the enneagram..

those numbers on the right are just the number of possible Socion types per Etype

Just look at the second graph machintruc posted at the OP, It shows the Etype, then instinctual variant. Look at the matching socion type. If it's greater than or equal to 2, then the type exists.

The first and third graph are essentially the same except with different notation and percentages for the third graph.

[machintruc]

I agree, but I'm asking if you have any hard proof for that.

The proof is :

Eights are stupid
SEI's are stupid
=> SEI's can be Eights.


But seriously, I don't know. Maybe Nikita Khrushchev is one.

[Azeroffs]

The proof is :

Eights are stupid
SEI's are stupid
=> SEI's can be Eights.


But seriously, I don't know. Maybe Nikita Khrushchev is one.

lol, no i meant proof that.. for example.. an SLE can't be a 4

[717495]

According to this, I'm an ILI.

[BlackCat]

This chart is stupid. Apparently I can't exist... even though I've looked into enneagram a good bit. Fail. How were these stats acquired? It just seems like you started a thread, with no source for any of those and made a set of rules... I'm not gonna believe it. I'm a 9w8 ESI. I've looked into enneagram very extensively, I really don't understand why I can't exist.

[07490]

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