Why are you obsessed with calling Eights 'rednecks'? I'm an Eight, and I'm not a redneck. There will be other Eights in the world who are also not rednecks.
Why are you obsessed with calling Eights 'rednecks'? I'm an Eight, and I'm not a redneck. There will be other Eights in the world who are also not rednecks.
I am under the assumption that since English isn't his first language, and since he lives in France, perhaps he has a wrong perception of what rednecks actually are. Or perhaps his perception is accurate but he knows not how to properly articulate it.
And precisely for what reason are "christ" and truth one and the same? You can't just exclaim such subjective things in the manner as if they are blatantly objective. Could you explain your reasoning?
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That's true. I've only just begun thinking about that.
There are plenty examples of typology that suck, even here within socionics.
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Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
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You missed the point. I'm calling Fours and Sixes so too. Aren't Mel Gibson and Zhirinovzky "rednecky" ? (both are cp6)Originally Posted by Ezra
Yes. Basically, Christ = Truth = Christ.
That's right. It's not my first language. My first language is French.
It's easy to prove that Christ is the Truth. In a world where there's sin, Jesus didn't sin a single time. Therefore, he's not "an adherent of the Truth". He's the Truth.
Have you ever read his teachings ? One can't seriously disagree with them, even the most reckless or obstinate.
To sin means, using the will to take deliberate actions, speeches, or thoughts against the Truth.
Do you have a single example of Jesus' sins ?
Of course, I'm not talking about those stupid hippie retarded rumours that say "Jesus has fornicated with Mary Magdalene" or such.
However, I can't persuade you to convert yourself to Catholicism. But I don't think you're seriously thinking on damning yourself.
BTW, I have recently known a very tough-minded LIE with the -+0 variant. Even some pretty EIE (++0) girl couldn't persuade him to reflect to "stranger" opinions. An LSE (00+) dude said to him (the LIE) that abortion is an Adolf-like thing.
Machintruc has completely lost it. But this thread is hilarious. More!
This is hilarious, because first we're supposed to have an example of something from a self-limiting book written by people trying to convince us that this guy is the son of god and without fault. Obviously from that book, we won't find evidence, and he lived so long ago that evidence isn't available from an objective source.Do you have a single example of Jesus' sins ?
Of course, I'm not talking about those stupid hippie retarded rumours that say "Jesus has fornicated with Mary Magdalene" or such.
But then, he dismisses any example we might have anyway.
Hilarious.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
You know, most nonbelievers adapt their reasoning to the supposed non-existence of God because they are narrow-minded. It's like adapting mathematics to the assertion that the square root of -1 is 99.
Counterphobic six.
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Fours rednecky?
Right, so as to avoid conflict, machintruc, give me your definition of a redneck.
I was searching for a translation for the french word "beauf", which seems to translate to the english words "redneck" or "boor".
Redneck is a stereotype. It may refer, for example, for the moody aggressive alcoholic retard you may encounter in bars, or to some very narrow-minded politician (think of Zhirinovsky).
When you feel bad (physiologically, i.e. serotonin low), you may feel that you don't fit in. You may ask to yourself something like "What's wrong with me ? Why are all they so happy together ? Why am I not happy myself ?". And you'll be likely to seek some relief, by behaviours that are not limited to, but including :
- Intimidating others (that's right - even Fours are intimidating)
- Numb sensation seeking (like with sex, drugs, fights, food, or pain inducing)
- Excess of competing (I remind Sarkozy when he said "I fought more than any other")
- Reckless behaviours (breaking laws and norms)
- Verbal recklessness (saying things that nobody wants to hear)
- Sadism or masochism (bullying or seeking pain)
- Conflict seeking (in order to "expand" sadness around oneself)
- Very extravagant dressing (especially for E4, sometimes for E8)
- Beating wife or children, in order to control them
- Inducing emotional pain to others, as if it was some kind of "punishment"
- Numb impact seeking (i.e. influencing others, but not making efforts to please them)
- Non-adaptive thinking (I remind Sarkozy again, when he said "I don't give a f*** of what they'll think")
- Egocentric thinking, taking oneself for the centre of the world (approximately 90% of Fours, 70% of Sixes, and 50% of Eights are Introtims)
- Overly passionate patterns of intimate relationships. Manipulating comfort and discomfort, to form some kind of relational pattern.
- Numb emotions seeking (positive or negative)
- Seeking loneliness (even Extrotims)
- Mistrusting others, very remote social behaviour
- etc.
All types can have such behaviours, but 468's more than others.
I like to say playfully "redneck" to refer to low or average-functioning pessimistic triaders (468's). It's pretty funny. Some things in the world are really sad and you can't possibly have impact to them. Laughing is better than crying.
EDIT: being "moody" doesn't really mean you're depressed, it means that you have a low feeling of well-being, and that by feeling "empty", you're likely to seek some relief. But those types are more capable than others to deal with difficult situations. They are habituated to depression. They can be very awesome... when high-functioning though.
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The thing is that redneck is also specific to a region (Appalachia) and Scots-Irish descent, so to say Zhirinovsky is a redneck just sounds weird.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I was taking on rednecks as stock characters, like femme fatales or ingenues. Except that I was talking on rednecks.
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Even those are better than PCM. At least they have symmetry and logical consistency.
I disagree, something Jeff Foxworthy did for the entire world, was let everyone know that their are rednecks EVERYWHERE you go.
I watched a program the other night where he was talked about.
He was in a comedy club in Wisconsin somewhere, and someone had mentioned to him that there were no rednecks in Wisconsin.
He took the time to say
"Well, I'm standing here in a Bar that's attached to a bowling alley that has valet parking. If that's not redneck, we may just have to figure it out." Then came his "you might be a redneck if..." stuff and he's now the richest comedian in the world... just because he found a way to relate everyone to "rednecks" in some way or another. He actually turned what has always been a slandering word into one that most people can relate someone they know to.
In many ways though, I'd consider myself somewhat of a redneck... none of which are listed in that little offensive description above.
Oh, trust me, we have rednecks in Michigan. Still, many of them are of Scots-Irish descent, many of their grandparents lived in Tennessee or some such place. Anyway, that's where the stereotype of rednecks, hillbillies, whatever you want to call them started, and to be a redneck or hillbilly you have to act like that. And rednecks here in Michigan and in Wisconsin are probably more accurately called "hicks" or something.I disagree, something Jeff Foxworthy did for the entire world, was let everyone know that their are rednecks EVERYWHERE you go.
I watched a program the other night where he was talked about.
He was in a comedy club in Wisconsin somewhere, and someone had mentioned to him that there were no rednecks in Wisconsin.
He took the time to say
"Well, I'm standing here in a Bar that's attached to a bowling alley that has valet parking. If that's not redneck, we may just have to figure it out." Then came his "you might be a redneck if..." stuff and he's now the richest comedian in the world... just because he found a way to relate everyone to "rednecks" in some way or another. He actually turned what has always been a slandering word into one that most people can relate someone they know to.
In many ways though, I'd consider myself somewhat of a redneck... none of which are listed in that little offensive description above.
Vladimir Zhirinovsky doesn't fit that stereotype. It isn't a generic "people who are boorish" stereotype. It is something very specific - cheap beer, NASCAR, rifle rack in the back of the pick-up truck, country-western music, pro wrestling, trailer park, car up on blocks in the front yard, monster trucks, mullets, "Git R Dun", that kind of thing. And it isn't a particularly fair stereotype or a nice stereotype because part of it is an assumption of stupidity and racism and other kinds of ignorance, and not all people who like country-western music and have mullets are like that, but it is a very specific stereotype.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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