I find that I think of LIE's I know, including ones I look up to, as being too timid. I'm probably as timid as they are, in a lot of ways. Maybe that's why I dislike it?
What's your least favorite thing about your identicals?
I find that I think of LIE's I know, including ones I look up to, as being too timid. I'm probably as timid as they are, in a lot of ways. Maybe that's why I dislike it?
Hm. Things I dislike about INTps...
- Passive-Aggressiveness
- Laziness
And that's all, folks.
Classical socionics: ()
, ILI-Ni
Dual-type theory: INTp-ENTp
5w6 sp/sx
MBTI: INTJ
Timid???Originally Posted by Joy
wow.
I've always gotten a very confident vibe from all the LIE's I've known.
But I guess anybody can be timid.
^ Yup. Timid isn't the first word I associate with ENTj's exactly heh.
INFp
If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
Agreed, they often strike me as over confident and sometimes bullying on the negative side. I have never encountered a timid ENTj except one with social phobia and even then he can try to intimate people he knows well and find "weak".
Socionics: XNFx
MBTI: INFJ
9. Best Bud SyndromeI'm going to put down all the DSM IV disorder(among others) I think is associated with ILE behavior.
1. ADD
2. Borderline Personality Disorder
3. Compensatory Narcissism
4. Schizoid
5. Avoident personality disorder
6. Post Traumatic stress syndrome
7. Dissociative Identity disorder
8. Tilting Windmill disorder
I would say that 95% of the expression of traits within these disorders are well within the bounderaries of ILE descriptions. But that doesn't sell the blue and red pills.
I do not see confidence as being diametrically opposed to timidness, at least not in the way I'm using the word "timid". The word "timid" is too harsh... it's more like lacking strength. Their method of being assertive is rather indirect at times.
To be clear, I usually think they're right, or at least that I am likely to do the same thing in their situation. It's still frustrating sometimes though. Perhaps I want to push them to be more like what I'm also pushing myself to be?
Nor I.
dude. i ain't gonna own this.I'm going to put down all the DSM IV disorder(among others) I think is associated with ILE behavior.
1. ADD
2. Borderline Personality Disorder
3. Compensatory Narcissism
4. Schizoid
5. Avoident personality disorder
6. Post Traumatic stress syndrome
7. Dissociative Identity disorder
8. Tilting Windmill disorder
I would say that 95% of the expression of traits within these disorders are well within the bounderaries of ILE descriptions. But that doesn't sell the blue and red pills.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
What do you HATE about your identical?
That when I'm watching them be all awkward and stuff, its like watching a video of myself. It hits too close to home if you know what I mean.
They aren't all that helpful for overcoming my weaknesses since they share the same ones.
They can't satisfy myand
seeking needs.
They can't defend me against PoLR attacks.
vs
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Actually, i've noticed all of this too. Also the above sort of comes into play with my mirrors, though at least with my mirrors I will get some helpful advice that i didn't think of and some alternate perspective that i find valuable.That when I'm watching them be all awkward and stuff, its like watching a video of myself. It hits too close to home if you know what I mean.
They aren't all that helpful for overcoming my weaknesses since they share the same ones.
They can't satisfy my
They can't defend me against PoLR attacks.
in my case Ti-POLR vs Ti-POLR can be frustrating, especially with Fi-creative in the mix.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Some of my identicals are egoticial and very unhealthy individuals, but try to come off that they are healthy, when in reality, certain situations can really bring out their unhealthy nature.
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Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
how ironic
i'm training in an EII at work and she does a lot of the same irritating things i do when i'm new on a job, lol...like asking the same question five times in a row using different phrasing to make sure she has all her bases covered and doesn't mess anything up. and it drives me nuts but it also makes me kind of facepalm on behalf of myself because i know i'm the same way. the fact that i understand why she's doing it just makes it sort of weird somehow because i don't know how to fix it and i don't feel comfortable trying to make her stop when i get it.
i haven't experienced this kind of frustration so much with friendship, more like the occasional discomfort from time to time because they do/say something embarassing that i totally would have done/said too. lol.
Egoticial? Never heard of that word, what does it mean?
Egoticial - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
yeah overall i think they annoy you because they have the same flaws and on the other side they have the same strengths so they go for the same niche that you want, so it can get subtley competitive. initlally we always click though. seems like i get along better with male ILE's than female ILE's over time, though initially get along better with female ILE's.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
This thread should be renamed "What do I hate about myself"
IEE-Ne
Lol.
I hate that I enjoy being in control so much.
this post is just so fucking meta it blows my mind
Their company gets boring fast. It seems like I'm talking to myself...or reading to myself, since they're telling me things I don't know. (LSEs try to avoid repetition in conversation.) Though it is nice to be understood that well, and talking to an old LSE is quite informative.
Online, what I don't like about them is that they make such long posts (and usually make anything I would have said repetition). What's up with that?
I get really uncomfortable when I watch them on television.
Arrogant, closed minded, overbearing, overly controlled/distant, and often incomprehensibly and irreconcilably irrational.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
She's being ironic.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
We both crave deeper connection, but neither of us want to do the opening up to each other it requires to form a deeper bond. We're getting better, sharing more personal baggage, but even then it's still at surface level. If I ever date another EII we will really have to work at opening up to each other more.
Nothing.
Honestly, I can't say that I've known any other ENFj's personally;but as far as famous people go, it kinda drives me nuts that they seem to be so comfortable with speeches and being in the public eye. I doubt I would be that comfortable.
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
That's because... you're IEI?
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Just a lot of practice to get to that comfort level.
I worry about how my IEI friends will make it in the real world when they are so good at ignoring the reality of their situation. And then I have to remind myself that I have the same coping mechanisms…
Several of my friends are IEI, and I love 'em so. But of course I see their weaknesses. Sometimes I see them as timid, self-effacing pushovers. I kinda wanna give 'em a kick in the pants.
All of the above.
When I worked with one who was my only co-worker and above me in the hierarchy, not only did she not protect me from abuse on my PolR, she set me up for it to keep herself safe. Talk about a breach of trust...
Nothing. I don't hate most individuals (human beings), not even the enemy of my enemy
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I second all of this. Watching EIIs is like watching very embarrassing videos of myself.That when I'm watching them be all awkward and stuff, its like watching a video of myself. It hits too close to home if you know what I mean.
They aren't all that helpful for overcoming my weaknesses since they share the same ones.
They can't satisfy my
They can't defend me against PoLR attacks.
The only IEI whose type I'm sure of is my ex-boyfriend. I hated the fact that he had all of the same talents as me because I felt like I was competing with him a lot of the time. I also hated his Victim hot/cold tendencies (annoying as fuck) and the way I had to play the SLE and come up with fun things for us to do.
yeah. It's sort of like when I'm hanging out with my IEI brother. We joke easily, understand each other perfectly but when it comes time to get something DONE, we look to my SLE sister-in-law. Thank god my brother found her!
IEI-Fe 4w3
I don't know well any LIE irl.
They say MEAN THINGS THAT HURT MY FEELINGS WHEN THEY DONT MEAN TO!
Oh also I want to hug the shit out of them for being so awsome and they want to hug me too but its usually really awkward cuz we're both dudes and I don't want to admit to this out loud.
Maybe this is why I tend to see some ENTj's in bro-wolfpacks?
Perfect<------------------------------------------------------------------------------>Loops and Tings
Ambivert / Aggressor / Trailblazer / Nomad / Alpha Caretaker / Free Spirit / Kevlar Speed Demon / Ninja
They are self-absorbed and socially inferior to me but won't still understand to get the fuck out of my spotlight.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
They're kinda mean.
And I feel a teensy bit self conscious around them...
and the really religious ones frustrate me.
Female IEEs can come off as too inauthentically concerned about other people's problems, like they're too eager to express sympathy and it comes off as trying too hard. I've only known two male IEEs: one is an easily-distracted 7w6 who loved to interrupt his own thoughts to make room for other thoughts that have nothing to do with his previous thoughts, and the other was a 6 who I was legitimately able to connect with on an instinctual, intellectual level.
Remember Octo, Starfall...you're talking about yourselves
Anyways, cannot really remember if I met any of my identicals...but what would be annoying is that we would be constantly struggling for who is in control, has the most attention/power...since I want to be at the top and at times the center of attention (in a good way).
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