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    Default LSIs/ISTjs being creative and having artistic abilities

    Anyone read about how how ISTJs can be quite creative? As an ISTJ is this true for you or is it apparent in any ISTJs you know?


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    I think I'm fairly creative, but it really depends on what you mean.
    Artistically speaking (figurative arts) no, but if I need to come up with a way to do something, or if something bugs me, then I can often find a creative solution.
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    There is one ISTj scientist in the laboratory who also does the instructor stuff. There are different tubes for air and gas going into chambers and analysor and out. He knows all about it and when there's a completely new experiment, he will just have these enthusiastic moments where he tracks the tubes down one by one, "air comes from here, goes either here or here... If I need the air to be dry, it should go through here..." And he's make HUGE changes to the system! He just takes out his tools and makes all the necessary changes in a couple of hours. Later he'll mention, "I added some tubes for your experiment." And I look at it and say, "wow!".

    Another ISTj was the same way. Usually he seemed quite uncreative like an accountant or something like that, but when the experiments started, he was all full of ideas! "So, I was thinking, we probably need small plastic bags for the leaves, and we need small bottles for the branches. Take this, I drilled holes here so it could be transported. And here, I had these custom made. I took the measures from the old ones. I hope they fit."
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    I know an ISTj who is quite crafty--good with his hands. He's a history professor but he likes to do handy projects around the house when he has the time and he made his wife a coffee table that seemed to me to be extremely well made.
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    LSI has a practical artistry. Ask them to build a webpage, trick out your PS3, organize your digital photos into a searchable online album, etc and the result is truly a thing of beauty. They have a huge artistic streak under all of that practicality.

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    im having trouble seeing the relevance of the examples.. you mean like, figuring out ways to solve problems?

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    The factor in question here is linking intuition with creativity. Every type is creative in their own way, regardless of polr. They appear creative, because, creativity is generally a "good quality", especially to their duals, who are not good in that area. That is to say, sometimes people can seem creative in a certain way because the person looking at the situation is relatively clueless in such matters.

    Quality work, of course, is not a trait foreign to LSIs.
    Arguing about creativity, asethetics, or artistic qualities, well, you're on your own there. Doesn't really matter what you say - to each is own, and so on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    Now, what is with the title: "Duality of Identity" ?
    A reference to the artistic qualities usually attributed to EIE that may or may not (deciding this is the purpose of the thread) be present in the life of an LSI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington View Post
    im having trouble seeing the relevance of the examples.. you mean like, figuring out ways to solve problems?
    I mean like mixing artistic talent with detail oriented perfectionism. The results are functional, beautiful and flawless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat View Post
    I mean like mixing artistic talent with detail oriented perfectionism. The results are functional, beautiful and flawless.
    That sounds like an industrial designer, kind of, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bibliophile8 View Post
    That sounds like an industrial designer, kind of, doesn't it?
    Zenbrat gives great examples. Another example; I have an ISTj friend and if he makes a flowchart over an organization the result is as much a work of art, a colourful thing of beauty fit to frame and put on the wall, as a perfectly clear, hyperdetailed description of the process in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington View Post
    im having trouble seeing the relevance of the examples.. you mean like, figuring out ways to solve problems?
    Yeah, for example my laptop had some heating problems. It burned two transformers and the third was always hot. Usually the solution would be to stop using the laptop as a desktop, while I took a moka express and put it on the transformer... it worked and I was quite proud of my creativity there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    Yeah, for example my laptop had some heating problems. It burned two transformers and the third was always hot. Usually the solution would be to stop using the laptop as a desktop, while I took a moka express and put it on the transformer... it worked and I was quite proud of my creativity there.
    i'm not supposed to laugh in the library. haha that's funny i just read it again.

    Actually my istj friend did make colorful and precise diagrams and artwork.. i think i know what zenbrat means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington View Post
    Actually my istj friend did make colorful and precise diagrams and artwork.. i think i know what zenbrat means.
    Does anyone have an example picture they can post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I loved Berlin...

    I don't get it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat View Post
    LSI has a practical artistry. Ask them to build a webpage, trick out your PS3, organize your digital photos into a searchable online album, etc and the result is truly a thing of beauty.
    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat View Post
    I mean like mixing artistic talent with detail oriented perfectionism. The results are functional, beautiful and flawless.
    Funny, that sounds EXACTLY like me.
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    Very tragic, never met (or rather have never been close to) an ISTj before, they seem like pretty interesting people.

    But contact with them is rare, since I don't think we would be in the same circles.
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    hkkmr, those are amazing. Isn't that the holocaust memorial designed by Peter Eisenman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Yes it is... I made a thread about his type.
    Cool, I was actually thinking about doing that since I was writing a term paper about him, but I didn't get around to it. I'll check it out. He played an interesting role in the introduction of deconstructivism to architecture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    That's interesting... Post your term paper in the type thread maybe..
    I implicitly typed him from his artwork... but I would like to hear what others think..
    I might. Its not very good, because I put it off to the last minute and it was a joke class. I did post a short biography, but its not mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    There is one ISTj scientist in the laboratory who also does the instructor stuff. There are different tubes for air and gas going into chambers and analysor and out. He knows all about it and when there's a completely new experiment, he will just have these enthusiastic moments where he tracks the tubes down one by one, "air comes from here, goes either here or here... If I need the air to be dry, it should go through here..." And he's make HUGE changes to the system! He just takes out his tools and makes all the necessary changes in a couple of hours. Later he'll mention, "I added some tubes for your experiment." And I look at it and say, "wow!".

    Another ISTj was the same way. Usually he seemed quite uncreative like an accountant or something like that, but when the experiments started, he was all full of ideas! "So, I was thinking, we probably need small plastic bags for the leaves, and we need small bottles for the branches. Take this, I drilled holes here so it could be transported. And here, I had these custom made. I took the measures from the old ones. I hope they fit."
    I'm not sure how this is creative. It's definitely practicality (I have no doubt that LSIs are practical), but to me, it's not really creative. Look at what the second guy says. It's not really creativity, it's more like highly effective and systematic procedure.

    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat View Post
    LSI has a practical artistry.
    Strongly agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by lefty View Post
    yeah i refuse to interact with someone acting as an apologist for ****** so i guess i'll declare this thread closed.
    ****** has nothing to do with LSIs and creativity. He wasn't an LSI and he... was quite creative (I could make a really sick joke now, but I won't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    ****** has nothing to do with LSIs and creativity. He wasn't an LSI and he... was quite creative (I could make a really sick joke now, but I won't).
    That was in reference to my signature, which contained a quotation about ******: "****** wasn't evil, he was a failed artist." Lefty decided she didn't like it and now it is gone. You'll probably incur her wrath with your little joke. May God save your soul.
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