Uh are you guys American ?
ILE (ENTp)
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ESE (ESFj)
LII (INTj)
SLE (ESTp)
IEI (INFp)
EIE (ENFj)
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SEE (ESFp)
ILI (INTp)
LIE (ENTj)
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Uh are you guys American ?
Most people I meet dislike Trump, including republicans.
I've been reading about Trump's steady approval ratings, and I think he has captured the cult market.
https://www.theauthoritarians.org/
https://forge.medium.com/how-to-chan...d-1774681b9369
Carter had the misfortune to be president when two things happened. One, the US was just experiencing the oil shock so the economy was bleeding jobs and money. In 1973, the price of oil increased 400%. Imagine the effects of gas prices now rising to $10/gallon, and then in 1979, they again doubled (to a today's price of $20/gallon).
And two, the Iranians had captured the US Embassy and had kept them hostage for hundreds of days. The US military attempted a rescue mission, but the team had a huge screw-up in the desert on its way there, and simply retreated. This was a direct consequence of the military recruiting a bunch of morons to fill the body quota when fighting the Vietnam war.
Incidentally, the State department had negotiated the release of the US hostages with the Iranians near the end of Carter's term, but members of the incoming Reagan administration held secret talks with the Iranians and they agreed to keep holding the hostages until Reagan was elected President, so Reagan would get credit for releasing the hostages.
A President's legacy has little to do with how good a person they are, and a lot to do with luck and how well they can fool the public.
My personal opinion of Carter was that he was both unlucky and too nice a guy. Reagan was a duplicitous asshole. But Reagan, for all the damage he did, still was not nearly as bad as Bush was or Trump is.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 10-22-2019 at 02:17 PM.
Yeah, of course he has a vocal group of haters, he's the president. Maybe the media is primarily liberal, and there's lots in the press against him, but the idea of people being brainwashed (more than normal, with any president), no. I'm sure he'd like you to think so. (Maverick, against the grain, etc)
Weirdly enough, I didn't hate Obama or Jerry Ford or Clinton or Bush I.
Anyway, the more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that Trump's true believers would qualify as cult members. They have the same mind-set.
Most researchers have narrowed his base down to white Evangelicals. Coincidence? I think not.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...chment/600376/
You may be right, but the "opposing" side is just as much of a "cult" as it were. I mean, look at the SJW crowd. It's literally an anti-Christian cult. This guy I'm about to link to may not be an official journalist or anything, and you may not like him personally as he's a Trump Supporter, but damned if his arguments aren't sound:
https://www.brianniemeier.com/2019/06/a-tale-of-two-cults.html
https://www.brianniemeier.com/2019/10/yes-actual-cult.html.
so now you know Trump is the president that Putin has paid for, remake your considerations
We should have a council at the border to review potential Mexican immigrants for titties & ass approval
(And no selling baggies!)
The one thing I like about Trump is that he is the gift that keeps on giving.
Ho Ho Ho
previously Megadoodoo
Is it just me, or does this emoji scream Donald Trump
WHERE IS THE WHISTLEBLOWER
There's nothing more terrifying than the probability you might be Trump's supervisee.
I told my ILI lawyer friend (who knows very little of Socionics) that Trump was very likely his Dual. He sat silently for a few minutes and then replied angrily "You don't know how insulting it is to be told that Trump and I are somehow a good match."
I haven't seem him that angry in, maybe, forever.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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John Kelly, former chief of staff to President Trump, said Saturday he warned the president before he left the White House not to replace him with a “yes man” because it would lead to Trump’s impeachment.
Kelly also said he believed he could have prevented the current impeachment inquiry against Trump if he had stayed in the job. Kelly said the inquiry could have been avoided if president had surrounded himself with people who could rein in his worst instincts.
His candid remarks, made during an interview at a political conference hosted by the Washington Examiner, suggests he blames acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and others in the West Wing for not doing more to stop Trump’s behavior.
“Someone has got to be a guide that tells [the president] that you either have the authority or you don’t, or Mr. President, don’t do it,” Kelly told the Washington Examiner’s Byron York. “Don’t hire someone that will just nod and say, ‘That’s a great idea Mr. President.’ Because you will be impeached.”
The House Democrats are in the midst of an impeachment inquiry involving Trump’s request to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a phone call to investigate former vice president Joe Biden, a 2020 presidential contender, and his son Hunter Biden.
Kelly, a retired four-star Marine, has likened his time in the White House to wrestling with a bear every day, according to a person who spoke to him. The person asked not to be identified to speak candidly.
Kelly and Trump were barely on speaking terms when the former chief of staff left -- after 18 months of sometimes titanic clashes.
In one of their final conversations, according to a person briefed on the topic, Trump asked Kelly not to write a book -- and Kelly agreed, at least until Trump was out of office.
During the interview Saturday, Kelly expressed some regret about leaving.
“That was almost 11 months ago, and I have an awful lot of, to say the least, second thoughts about leaving,” Kelly said. “It pains me to see what’s going on because I believe if I was still there or someone like me was there, he would not be kind of, all over the place.”
Mulvaney has taken the different approach of letting “Trump be Trump.” The acting chief of staff regularly leaves the West Wing to visit his home in South Carolina, or golf, or attend political events, according to current and former aides.
But Kelly had his own controversial episodes in the White House, defending the administration’s family separation policy, making false statements about a U.S. congresswoman and mishandling allegations against Rob Porter, the former staff secretary.
During a second panel discussion, Kelly called Trump’s decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria a “catastrophically bad idea.”
“It didn’t happen while I was there — and a couple of other people recently left the administration and then he went with his instinct,” Kelly said.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
A reporter was interviewing a woman who worked for Trump for many years and asked her how Trump would respond to a particular question he had, and she said that Trump doesn’t respond, he replies.
Apparently, in order to respond, you actually have to listen to what someone else says.
This can be seen in his interchanges with reporters regarding his attempt to bribe Ukrainian officials with public money for personal gain. He just keeps repeating the phrase “It was a perfect phone call.” Which does not actually address their questions. It’s like shouting out “My shoes are polished!”
When you combine his pathological lying with his refusal to hear criticism and his need for public adoration, the picture that emerges is one of a man with a very fragile sense of self.
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The bolded is type-related. When directly pressured in response to something they said, SEEs will often repeat the same point and refuse to answer further questions. I’m tired, so I can’t think of a functional explanation for this, but it’s an attempt to control the emotional/interpersonal atmosphere through Se. He doesn’t want to give further details, and he isn’t adept enough with Fe or T to evade the subject, so his approach is head-on: how can the reporter call Trump a liar? He can’t; he wasn’t there and didn’t hear it. All he can do is back down.
As much as the MSM make fun of him or call him incompetent, Trump’s mode of communication is effective 1-on-1, and he’s more intelligent and socially capable than he’s typicaly given credit for — if not in the academic, bookish way that well-off liberal reporter-types are capable of, or willing to, recognize. He made Ted Cruz — an experienced debater — look like an idiot by calling his wife ugly. He baited Warren into taking a DNA test, even though no matter the result, such a test wouldn’t have had a good outcome for Warren — and all but guaranteeing his victory next election should Warren become the Democratic candidate. And when it comes to his gaining the Presidency in the first place: that wasn’t sheer chance.
Kinda wish you were correct, but you're not. Trump will sadly crush Bernie as, well, he's just too milquetoast and nice. I kinda like that, and I do hope he faces off against Trump as he has more brain cells remaining functional than Biden does but in the end, Trump will still win. It'll be closer with Bernie at the head of the DNC than Biden but the Trumpmeister will still win...
It's too early to call because a lot could happen between now and then to be blamed on the Trump administration. The coronavirus and the health of the economy will influence the outcome of the election. As of now I agree that it's Trump's election to lose because life under the incumbent administration has been ok thusfar notwithstanding how annoyed I am when I hear the guy on the radio.
If Bernie wins the nomination then Trump will say that the economy has been doing well so Bernie has no basis for criticism.
If Biden wins the nomination then Trump will say that Trump has demonstrated higher levels of health than Biden has.
Probably the most interesting part of this for me is how Americans have become more acutely aware of severe income inequality and economic injustice in recent years. In this way, Sanders has already won an idealogical war within the Democratic party by pushing the party leftward. Really, it's been a long time coming just by virtue of the dwindling of the middle class. The oligarchs can only throw us so many bones before we take the whole enchilada.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that capitalism is bullshit because it attempts to replace the need for meaning and human connection with greed.
The economy is eventually going to crash terribly which could happen at any time and it may or may not result in the Democrat taking the White House. But if the economy does crash before the election and a Democrat takes the White House, their government intervention wouldn't help anyway.
As soon as Trump came into office, he and the Republicans in Congress should've replaced all federal taxes with a 10% flat rate tax on all personal income, balanced the budget, and had interest rates raised to liquidate the debt from the Obama Administration. Unfortunately, they failed to do those things. Trump talked about "thinking big" but the only "big" thing he did was the disastrous tariffs.
He definitively embodies an unhealthy Program Se type. 100% sure.
Probably SLE.
I'll say it once I'll say it again. He ain't sle. Theres a better chance hes LIE than SLE but hes not that either. Hes a very obvious SE fi his gamma values are beyond obvious and he clearly uses se but has no logic at all
Anyone calling him SLE please linkme even ONE example showing ti in his ego block. I cant find any. I'm not being sarcastic. I've never seen this guy adhere or mention any principals or logical structures at all. He constantly uses demo FE from what I can tell. I've paid him no mind until he began to run for president so maybe his past was different but 2015 on he is clearly ti polr..
I agree, @kingslayer. Trump is not LIE and he's not SLE. SEE is the only typing that makes sense to me.
I will admit that it is humbling in a way to see a guy as screwed up as he is in my Quadra, but you know, Socionics is only about information exchange, not narcissism or stupidity.
And no, his past was not different. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/garry...b0e80b1ba2ecdc
I believe that Garry Trudeau is IEI.
Trump is not even close to being one of the worst presidents in history. Our best president was perhaps FDR and he put people in concentration camps (some things don’t change, apparently). Bush II was by far worse than Trump on account of the Iraq War and PATRIOT Act (ignoring that most of it was recently renewed). Trump is bad, but all Presidents were; the main thing people don’t like about Trump is that he’s rude to reporters, who shape the thoughts of the masses.
Trump’s main problem IMO is that he listens too much to advisors and sycophants, and keeps appointing too many people like them. He’s appointed a lot of extremists (even by Republican standards), and though it’s not really possible to prove, I think they unduly influence many of his decisions. The assassination of Soleimani, for instance, was not his idea. In any case, he’s more or less mainly advanced Republicans and right-wing ideology, which was going to happen anyway, especially with any Republican president. Betsy deVoss or whoever else people point to and say they’re the devil may be right, but at most another Republican may have appointed only a slightly milder figure, or stretched out the policies people like her want over another few years. And with a Democratic president, of course, at best nothing would substantially change.
What I’m trying to say is that Trump is just easily swayed by people who control a large portion of the government anyway and would get what they want eventually no matter who was President. Things could and have been worse.
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Donald Trump visited tornado ravaged Tennessee on Friday afternoon. During the visit he showcased his well known lack of empathy, as sociopaths have a hard time pretending to possess real, human emotions. This exchange, about a young child who was found roaming the streets after his entire family died, is particularly jarring in the exchange he asks: "How did his family do?" The official tells Trump "They're deceased." Trump narrates to the journalists, like he is sharing a storyline, saying: "So his parents were killed. And his sister. So we're going to go see some of the folks.".”So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. And you know what I did? I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away,” said Trump. “I couldn’t, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him… he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red. And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away. ‘Oh my God! This is terrible! This is disgusting!’ and you know, they’re turning away. Nobody wants to help the guy. His wife is screaming—she’s sitting right next to him, and she’s screaming.”
Thank God for the Marines. “What happens is, these 10 Marines from the back of the room… they come running forward, they grab him, they put the blood all over the place—it’s all over their uniforms—they’re taking it, they’re swiping [it], they ran him out, they created a stretcher. They call it a human stretcher, where they put their arms out with, like, five guys on each side,” shared Trump.
”I was saying, ‘Get that blood cleaned up! It’s disgusting!’ The next day, I forgot to call [the man] to say he’s OK,” said Trump, adding of the blood, “It’s just not my thing.”
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Lol. What reputation did he damage? That of the largest terrorist state on the planet? And the fact of the matter is that the “reputation” of a state doesn’t affect the lives of anyone in the slightest. And any damage Trump may or may not have done to bureaucracies (heavens above, save the bureaucracy!) pales in comparison to deliberately lying in order to start a war killing tens to hundreds of thousands of people. Trump is a guy who found himself becoming President and doesn’t seem to know how to handle it; Bush was actually evil.
You said what reputation did he damage? Then you say it's irrelevant because it doesnt affect people in any way? Gee golly.. You don't think reputation matters in business, politics, ethics of the nation ? Look at all the hate crimes he enables by just being him. Do I really have to explain something so obvious I don't even feel like addressing the rest of your ass backwards logic it would just be a waste of time if you cant figure out something as obvious the long term impact reputation has to a country (or a person) on a global scale and how that would leak over to the citizens there ??
You dont think Trump is evil ? What the fuck . Trump is letting thousands die during this virus to protect his petty fragile ego. Bush made a geo political move to gain US influence in the middle east. You can piss and moan all you want about people dying and call the US a "terrorist state" EVERY EMPIRE IN HISTORY HAS DONE THIS.
I'm curious what countries you think dont aggressively assert their influence. Gee no wonder you didnt think russia interfered in our elections. Found the Trump apologist
The Republican Party has been advancing bad leaders ever since the '60's. The interesting thing is that they keep getting elected.
What's up with that?
https://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/1112742...thoritarianism
Trump authoritarian? I'd agree with that from my perspective.
But if he's a member of the gamma quadra in Socionics, why does he have authoritarian values though gamma is a democratic quadra?
And why is his so low in agreeableness and empathy despite being an ethical type (Fi ego)?
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To insult a Roman emperor was punishable by death. Since you’ve criticized Trump, I suppose you’d agree that you ought to be executed, since that’s par for the course with other empires? Also, are you really criticizing my morality when yours is “might makes right”?
Trump does not seem to me like a moral person. But that doesn’t really matter: he hasn’t (yet) orchestrated a war by lying to the public. He also hasn’t jailed his critics, like Wilson. So yeah, he has a far ways to go before he even gets into the top ten worst Presidents.
As far as morality goes, his faults as I see them are relatively petty — he’s vain, likes attention, isn’t really good at his job. I see this qualitatively differently than the evil of other recent Presidents. Incidentally, I promise that Bush killed far more people than however might die because of anything Trump will do regarding this virus.
Re. Russian “interference”, please explain to me what precisely it entailed.
The rest of your post is too stupid to reply to.
Last edited by FreelancePoliceman; 04-10-2020 at 05:06 PM.
You replied to everything then told me you arent replying to the rest. Typical trump logic lmao. Cant keep your feelings from clouding your judgment. Ti base my ass
Here you go shit 4 brains. One of many sources you can find with a quick 3 second search on google
https://www-wsj-com.cdn.ampproject.o...on-11555666201
"Common knowledge in the intelligence community "
200 page detailed report explaining step by step..
Let me guess. Evil cia lying?
Wall street journal fake news? Which convenient excuse is next
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ...ates_elections
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/r...e-u-s-n1008051
"One document said that President Donald Trump’s election had “deepened conflicts in American society” and suggested that, if successful, the influence project would “undermine the country’s territorial integrity and military and economic potential.”'
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