Unfortunately for me I think he is SEE as well (gag me with a spoon) very, very, very unhealthy though.
ILE (ENTp)
SEI (ISFp)
ESE (ESFj)
LII (INTj)
SLE (ESTp)
IEI (INFp)
EIE (ENFj)
LSI (ISTj)
SEE (ESFp)
ILI (INTp)
LIE (ENTj)
ESI (ISFj)
IEE (ENFp)
SLI (ISTp)
LSE (ESTj)
EII (INFj)
Unfortunately for me I think he is SEE as well (gag me with a spoon) very, very, very unhealthy though.
If he's SEE, then it completely it changes my perception of the type and what it means to share a quadra with someone. He fits the archetype of an SEE demagogue, but i can't rationalize his behavior the way I can with other crazy SEEs like Kanye
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The man is SEE. Caesar and Napoleon weren't exactly saints either tbh, so I'm not too bothered by it.
Bound upon me, rush upon me, I will overcome you by enduring your onset: whatever strikes against that which is firm and unconquerable merely injures itself by its own violence. Wherefore, seek some soft and yielding object to pierce with your darts.
-Seneca
I agree he is SEE. Watch something on him on Netflix a few weeks ago. SEE have more flexible Fi, anyway. It’s used as a creative ‘function’ and it if I remember right, seems to serve their Te HA. SEE’s can appear pretty good at Te, but Trump isn’t actually as great at Te as he would like his image displayed to the mainstream, according to the documentary. And when he talked in his younger days it was like Se->Fi boom boom over and over lol
he’s too irrational (and not in the P way, but like in the F way) to be SLE, imo
SLE in my book!
It is possible he inherited psychopathic traits from the father. According to my own theory, some people simply do not have types as they are psychopathic. While psychopathic people would often be typed as SLE or SEE (as their behavior could correspond to these profiles fairly easily), it is not their real type, as they are devoid of an actual type. Psychopath, would be their type, yet it would not be a type that could be accurately depicted in any mainstream or official system outside of the DSM.
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Extraverted Sensation & Introverted Feeling: SEE
SLE: DCNH Dominant - (subtype subject to change according to various circumstances)
My vote is for SEE because he seems like he has Gamma values over Beta (Te > Ti primarily.)
I also wish people would stop putting polls on these threads, as if it mattered what most people thought of people's types, as if truth were simply what most people happened to say or think. I never put polls on mine because I don't think most people's opinions of someone's type matters or legitimates their typing. Experts' opinions matter more. I see SEE is popular at least but most people vote SLE. Why? Trump does not seem Beta at all. The answer of course is, Sturgeon's Law applies to people too, so in fact you can trust most people to be wrong when you're in doubt if anything.
Why do these guys always look alike?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...r-previous-guy
1:02 -- Make America Great [Again].
using a lot of "I-statements" doesn't exclude some1 from being Fi-PolR
i think that's where a lot of mistyping(s) comes from
"The world's a stage and everyone is an actor" - (mb) an EIE <3
Maybe because of quadra values. Gamma is a democratic quadra, and D. Trump does shows autocratic behavior, so people put him in an aristrocratic Se-valued quadra.
My pov: He has the egocentric "who is not with me is against me" attitude, which is likely based on introverted judgement.
...and in case his slogan "make america great again" based on his Fi than he will make USA great what he thinks is great, not what millions of people in the US think it's great... in case he will be president in 2024 again.
Calling J. Biden "enemy of the state" might be an example of D. Trumps Fi at work.
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Pre-2016 Trump Organization was run by Trump and his small inner circle of like 12 employees. Three of those employees were his children. His personal secretary has been there since the 80s. Former CFO Allen Weisselberg worked for Trump for FIFTY years, is going to prison for committing tax fraud for Trump Organization, and didn’t rat out Trump and probably never will. Two of his other top Trump Organization employees began working for Trump in 1981. Loyalty is highly valuable to him, he knows this, and he knows how build relationships with people who are loyal. This is why I think SEE > SLE for Trump.
Also, Golihov wrote a great description of Fi creative types. Would recommend reading it before typing Trump as SLE
@Poptart, can you provide a link to Golihov's description?
Sure—you have to scroll down a little bit. It’s in the “Aspects of the Valued Functions by Dmitry Golihov” section:
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...overted_ethics
@Poptart what is your sociotype ?
I'm voting SEE. I see more Fi than Fe, and more Te than Ti, although SLE is still not a bad choice. Definitely a close one. Way to aggressive to be LIE.
I think he’s SLE. He reminds me a bit of my LSE boss, on a different level of course. But they both do this thing where you can’t tell if they know they’re an asshole- but you know they know sometimes. I guess it can be overall magnetic effect or something- like they learn to use their weakness to their advantage. With someone with power, skill and harsh political views…it’s damaging, huh reading that over it sounded better in my head. I guess it’s that they act so oblivious…and then so harsh…the disconnect is the ick
is this a problem of our times?
there is a weird doctor who episode where the people get trapped on a plane with a creature- and it just keeps mimicking them (literally copying what they say). It mimics back their fears, paranoia, ugliness. It’s really disturbing and the people get really wound up from what I remember. People like people who act like a victim..whilst being an asshole- it makes them feel better about themselves. I noticed this at work- a lot of the soft hearted people empathise with the mean LSE..even just slightly. Because they don’t want to think of anyone being harsh on them. It’s quite creepy to see. I guess someone usually comes along and shakes things up, but there was a woman who killed herself on the team- and I think that work place can make people feel really disempowered- like the managers are the masters- who gatekeep knowledge and keep you in a state of dependence and submission. But yeah people can be really controlled subtly by someone mimicking their core fears..the managers act like a defensive parent, (it’s for your own good) a victim, and people just listen to everything they say. I have learnt some things from the gentle colleagues- they are good negotiators when it comes to improving work conditions, but the collective inability to call out bullying is not their strength. They don’t look out for the little person enough- they do a bit, but mostly they care about the middle. I guess this is the middle class mindset
Unlike Trump voters they are liberal (also don’t earn a lot really)- so I guess this sort of brain washing is effective on any mass group that doesn’t have security- if I’m right in thinking most Trump voters are poorer Americans
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Your manager sounds like a true NPD, narcissistic personality disorder.
Same as Trump. It can be speculated what causes it, but in the end the effects are all the same: a ego complex that is overblown internally and damages external people around them.
Trump is malignant narcissist. It's literally a brain disorder. This isn't being hyperbolic. That means he could be "some" good, but also much bad.
I think this fits more than Fe and Ti
Black & white is a shallow divide ∕∕division is the color that multipliesx
Taking things at face value is good only for a spell⛧
Abstract builds a soul, a house can never become a home without it ♀
A little better makes better more>
♦♦
Another vote for SLE
“Sex is kicking death in the ass while singing.” - Charles Bukowski
for famouses is better to use nonverbal method. then those who see T in this hysteriod may change the opinion
SLE - SxSo
LSE
hmm, maybe he is an IEI-D after all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnrMpKqZtD0
an introverted narcissist. playing roles and enjoying public attention.
It's interesting to see how different perspectives emerge when discussing public figures. The diversity of opinions keeps these conversations engaging. Your take on the former president's personality type is quite intriguing. It's always fascinating how individuals perceive and categorize personalities.
Speaking of conversations, have you explored the concept of a social network for politics? Platforms like this aim to provide a space where people can engage in meaningful political discussions. It's a way to connect with others who share similar interests and engage in constructive dialogues about the political landscape.
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Have noticed another ENFJ opinion from Velta Mikelsone. For local noobs this mb relatively important, as she published a book and did a lecture near Gulenko.
Malignant narcissists aren't self-aware about what they're doing. Also narcissists do as they're told and DJT is famous for never doing as he's told. This example from T.V. provides a better characterization of DJT's motives:
"I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really - I was alive." - Walter White, Breaking Bad
If you want a true example of a malignant narcissist from T.V., look at Justin Berfield's character Reese from Malcolm in the Middle. That episode where he went to the army/boot camp and said "I like it here because I do as I'm told" (Episode 22, Season 5 I think) was the screenwriters charitably informing the viewer of his true type.
Another example of a narcissist movie is The Princess Diaries (2001) which involves the protagonist being a princess (simply because that is what she is told to be), being in an enviable position, and following scripts. But the sequel The Princess Diaries 2: Royal Engagement (2004) is kind of like a Jane Austen novel.
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I'm not a qualified psychologist, just an amateur hater of Socionics, and according to the psychologist code of conduct only those who are treating the patient can make an assessment (and privately I guess) which rather counters what I say here: but from what I recall and gather from various psychologists reports, Trump likely has both narcissism, and psychopathy, as well as Machiavellianism (the Dark Triad). I could find the papers on GoogleScholar again if people are really interested. There is of course the possibility the assessments are done by people with a bias against Trump, and they're also people who have probably not assessed him in person.
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Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
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You are just incompetent Jung typology user. As the majority who read Socionics texts.
This is the reason of your and others dissatisfaction by it, because of your mistakes.
As in the example of Trump, to be rough dumb hysteroid and to have T or Fi is matched for the most of noobs. 90% of brainless votes. Then alikes whine about the typology as not working.
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Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits