He definitively embodies an unhealthy Program Se type. 100% sure.
Probably SLE.
ILE (ENTp)
SEI (ISFp)
ESE (ESFj)
LII (INTj)
SLE (ESTp)
IEI (INFp)
EIE (ENFj)
LSI (ISTj)
SEE (ESFp)
ILI (INTp)
LIE (ENTj)
ESI (ISFj)
IEE (ENFp)
SLI (ISTp)
LSE (ESTj)
EII (INFj)
He definitively embodies an unhealthy Program Se type. 100% sure.
Probably SLE.
he's hysterical clown. SLE do not look so. somehow 70% voted rejected this evidenceOriginally Posted by Vindicator Phoenix
Fi is not about him also. he's more rude and strict
if people will type famouses by the nonverbal, they'll do lesser mistakes
I'll say it once I'll say it again. He ain't sle. Theres a better chance hes LIE than SLE but hes not that either. Hes a very obvious SE fi his gamma values are beyond obvious and he clearly uses se but has no logic at all
Anyone calling him SLE please linkme even ONE example showing ti in his ego block. I cant find any. I'm not being sarcastic. I've never seen this guy adhere or mention any principals or logical structures at all. He constantly uses demo FE from what I can tell. I've paid him no mind until he began to run for president so maybe his past was different but 2015 on he is clearly ti polr..
I agree, @kingslayer. Trump is not LIE and he's not SLE. SEE is the only typing that makes sense to me.
I will admit that it is humbling in a way to see a guy as screwed up as he is in my Quadra, but you know, Socionics is only about information exchange, not narcissism or stupidity.
And no, his past was not different. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/garry...b0e80b1ba2ecdc
I believe that Garry Trudeau is IEI.
Me too. I keep hearing sle from people yet they cant provide 1 example of him using ti..
Donald Trump visited tornado ravaged Tennessee on Friday afternoon. During the visit he showcased his well known lack of empathy, as sociopaths have a hard time pretending to possess real, human emotions. This exchange, about a young child who was found roaming the streets after his entire family died, is particularly jarring in the exchange he asks: "How did his family do?" The official tells Trump "They're deceased." Trump narrates to the journalists, like he is sharing a storyline, saying: "So his parents were killed. And his sister. So we're going to go see some of the folks.".”So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. And you know what I did? I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away,” said Trump. “I couldn’t, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him… he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red. And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away. ‘Oh my God! This is terrible! This is disgusting!’ and you know, they’re turning away. Nobody wants to help the guy. His wife is screaming—she’s sitting right next to him, and she’s screaming.”
Thank God for the Marines. “What happens is, these 10 Marines from the back of the room… they come running forward, they grab him, they put the blood all over the place—it’s all over their uniforms—they’re taking it, they’re swiping [it], they ran him out, they created a stretcher. They call it a human stretcher, where they put their arms out with, like, five guys on each side,” shared Trump.
”I was saying, ‘Get that blood cleaned up! It’s disgusting!’ The next day, I forgot to call [the man] to say he’s OK,” said Trump, adding of the blood, “It’s just not my thing.”
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The Republican Party has been advancing bad leaders ever since the '60's. The interesting thing is that they keep getting elected.
What's up with that?
https://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/1112742...thoritarianism
Trump authoritarian? I'd agree with that from my perspective.
But if he's a member of the gamma quadra in Socionics, why does he have authoritarian values though gamma is a democratic quadra?
And why is his so low in agreeableness and empathy despite being an ethical type (Fi ego)?
Last edited by WinnieW; 04-09-2020 at 09:49 PM.
I was reviewing US policy under Trump. I knew most of it, but not in detail.
He effectively sidelined the state department in his presidency and has been handling all foreign relations through the white house, hence the impeachment trial. Trump knowingly pulled out of treaties with Russia that protect Ukraine and by extension the European Union. Then turned back to Ukraine and sold them missiles that were previously banned, because they are in range of Russian territories. When Ukraine wanted more of those missiles, he asked for personal favours. This is a constant theme of his, even now in the middle of a global pandemic.
His Fi is so high. I don't think a SLE can act so dishonestly for so long and enjoy such popularity. If Biden chooses this line of attack, he is going to lose. This is Trump's bread and butter.
Not true. You can also look at it as simply not caring about honesty, which perfectly matches the idea of a narcissistic and sociopathic Fi polr. Fe HA matches the idea of enjoying popularity as “bread and butter” even more perfectly, too.
Remember that HA is considered the “most limiting” function.
It is far more likely for a logical type to “ignore” his ethical side / information, rather than the other way around.
I doubt in SLE for Trump since learning the system
Let's take a look at the reason why twenty-eight people voted Trump as SEE.
Angelic: knows nothing about socionics ("know-nothing")
Aylen: an EII 9w1 sx/so who mistypes as IEI so falsely believes that SLE is her dual and not her conflictor, thus interprets own conflictor relations with trump as his not being a 'dual'
Beautiful Sky: worst typer in socionics history
chriscorey: nothing better to do
concretebutterfly: lives in a fantasy world
emily: irrelevant
end: has some weird view of Se Ti
erk: know-nothing
everlast: know-nothing
freelancepoliceman: EII mistyped as LII so interprets his conflicting relations to Trump as evidence that Trump is SEE rather than SLE
herzy: too clouded by political disdain for trump to accurately type
karas: know-nothing
kernel: know-nothing
kingslayer: he's not a SLE but a LSE and as a LSE wants to follow the typing of his dual EII (Aylen)
LVNA: know-nothing
moloka: know-nothing
mrs tortilla: know-nothing
myst: an ILE-Ti using her Ne-lead to imagine the possibility that Trump is SEE
nanooka: know-nothing
nehtaro: know-nothing
number9large: fake SLE who is actually a SEE that confuses his own Fi-creative with Ti-creative and therefore confuses Trump's Ti-creative with Fi-creative
samson: know-nothing
sinister12: know-nothing
societyolittleflower: is out to sissify socionics
soupman: no common sense
squark: too clouded by political disdain for trump to accurately type
strokemycactus: know-nothing
LOL what are you on about now?
With your weak logic you would come to the conclusion that if I type him SEE it must be because I am EII 9w1. Starfall and Strrng, who you happen to type IEI, also type him SEE you dork. If you need to see me as a conflictor then retype yourself LSE and you might feel some satisfaction. Like Trump, you are a joke when it comes to reasoning things out. You have shown more Fi on this forum than I have.
If you want to know why I type him SEE try reading my many posts otherwise shut up about it.
Also, Trump is a coward who hid in a bunker a couple days ago but he didn't like the optics since he is a E 3w4 so he emotionally, and impulsively, made the decision to call in the military police for a photo op to show his "strength". It made him look weaker. Use your brain not your feelings when typing Trump.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Maybe K4 is an LSE. Maybe K4's constant typing of people who he feels are "posturing" as LSE is a way to make up for the fact that he himself constantly does so on the forum. Maybe he doesn't post pictures of himself because he doesn't have "8w7 so/sp irises". I think we've found the LSE in denial.
Hello my Eii dual. Pls ignore my post with the logical breakdown of why I think trump is SEE. I'm just following you .. so let me know if you change him to SLE ok?
This made me cackle. People who type me as Ni PoLR definitely are the worst typers in socionics history
You're so pathetic @Kill4Me. You're just a dumbass making some online fuss claiming to be a bigshot, but you're too scared to even show your own face and actually OWN the material that you profess as your own. Nothing but a NERD full of hot air! You didn't even have the balls to actually tag anyone! LOL
Put your money where your mouth is and show this forum the face of "a real SLE 8w7" such as yourself! Don't be scared, we don't bite... much.
People give Trump too much credit. He is a Se ego tho. I can see him as SEE or SLE, not much else.
First impression was that Trump is SLE, then I decided he has shit Ti and went with SEE, but then I went back to SLE. Just realized he fits Gulenko's description for SLE pretty well as well
I think he is SEE-Se. He has renforced Te and Se, and that's why the Fi is barely there. He also VIs SEE > SLE.
Many SEE-Se dominant subtype think they are SLE. Because in business environment, it makes them try to shut down that Fi and use Se+Te because it doesn't help them in achieving their goals.
I didn't mean to say lack of Fi is lack of morals. Ime usually SEEs are sensitive to ppl and kind in an Fi way which is not apparent in Trump I guess. I know an SEE-Se who told me once that in work, he try to not give a damn about people's sensitivities and feelings (which is Fi).
Yeah, I try to do the same when debating or at work. I have been accused of being Fi PolR before for this. He could be SEE-Se. His art of the deal thing is very Se tho e_e... my ex gf bought it for me and sent it to me from the UK. Can't say I appreciated the gesture.
People not liking you is not Fi-POLR. A lot of Fi-POLRs are actually very concerned about how they come across because they genuinely care about people as a whole.
Regardless, I think Trump is an SEE.
Trump seems to be a narcissistic sociopath, which makes his type somewhat irrelevant. As an outsider, the millions of people, who would support him, worry me much more; who lends their car to the neighbourhood drunk and expects it back better than new.
a.k.a. I/O
Said it before but I think he’s a particularly “stupid” and narcissistic sociopathic SLE. I can get why people say SEE as “Fi creative” can be construed as sociopathic in a sense with its creative usage of Fi personal ethics, but his sense of ethics seems to be far worse than his logic IMO. How else would he rise to his position as multi-millionaire and president along with such shit human values?
Also, Melania Trump seems far, far less “logical” than him, if we imagine they’re duals. Not that it’s necessary in typing him alone.
Advertising / marketing. He made use of the media's hate towards him for free advertisement. Out of that and left-right divide and conquer propaganda running for decades now he fashioned himself an about 50% approval by making use of the hate. Also the memes were rather funny. People have this naïve pov imo that anyone can become the word's foremost superpower's chief... but that's not the case. Anyone who is even remotely allowed near that position has been accepted long beforehand. To think the guy is making decisions himself is the epitome of naivete. Trump is a red herring, a lighting rod. He has no real power, if he did, he'd be dead by now. He is a good little puppet, doing what needs to be done. His family will probably benefit off this for centuries and it satisfied his Se ego.
<.< bdsm-bear, u like the orange man? haha
...I can't stay mad at u. Damn it.
My bear is working its BDSM magic. What do you type Trump?Advertising / marketing. He made use of the media's hate towards him for free advertisement. Out of that and left-right divide and conquer propaganda running for decades now he fashioned himself an about 50% approval by making use of the hate. Also the memes were rather funny. People have this naïve pov imo that anyone can become the word's foremost superpower's chief... but that's not the case. Anyone who is even remotely allowed near that position has been accepted long beforehand. To think the guy is making decisions himself is the epitome of naivete. Trump is a red herring, a lighting rod. He has no real power, if he did, he'd be dead by now. He is a good little puppet, doing what needs to be done. His family will probably benefit off this for centuries and it satisfied his Se ego.
<.< bdsm-bear, u like the orange man? haha
...I can't stay mad at u. Damn it.
I was going with SLE at first, ppl here seem to see him as a gamma tho. I voted for both.
Trump LIE 8 confirmed.
Trumps strategy is divide and conquer. Thats gamma
LIE
Obvious SEE ESFp
playing with people emotions
this guy nailed it.
Published on Feb 24, 2016
Sle ESTp only have 2D Fe bruh. Even in mbti their fe is in 3rd slot
I think SLE. 3w2 sx/so
He constructs his own reality in his head, his system. If anything doesn't fit into this system, it's somehow not his fault. This is a congitive trait I have seen in less balanced SLEs and ILEs.
SEEs are alot "touchier". Trump can be defensive but look what he is always defensive about - facts not registering with his system (his system being part of his ego). SEEs are socially alot "smoother" and much more conflict averse. They are afraid of offending others. Others' feelings are important to them. Not to Donald J Trump.
LIE is also unlikely. He seems too confident in. He almost completely ignores
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I see him as SEE now. I really don't see any logic but scattered points and arguments that are remarkably inconsistent (which isn't to say that I think the underlying positions are necessarily inconsistent), creating a chaos of information. It all seems rather Ti PoLR to me. Then there is his focus on who is a good person or not, who he likes or not and who likes him or not, and of course constantly putting friends and family into positions around him (nepotism). He's relational. Also I feel like he is like a blizzard in his relationships--great dramas and falling outs, even if it's all in a serious way. It's a sort of relational capriciousness I kind of associate with SEE... Anyway, it all seems very Gamma to me.
I couldn't see him as SLE now because I just don't know where the Ti is... I see Fi though...
I quoted this from the Epstein thread:
I find this interesting because I can't really I suppose deny that Trump comes off as business-like in his communication and he's always had this like serious or even stern demeanor. That stern demeanor and interviews from when he was younger had before left me with the SLE impression. I can't see him as LIE though (I would consider ESI before LIE)... I think Se lead makes sense even though he's not the most outgoing looking Se dominant.
I think Trump is confusing because he's also disordered and he may be experiencing mental decline. His "buddy" Kanye West seems more like a stereotypical SEE to me (though I'm not sure of that type).
I imagine a great many Gammas would dislike Trump so I don't feel like Gammas hating him would mean he is not Gamma.
Last edited by marooned; 07-22-2020 at 11:54 PM.
SEE
Around 6:00 the interviewer is asking him about an example of taking revenge (as he basically is saying that he believes in an eye for an eye) and he says there were people he helped in the 80s when his business was going well who then were not there for him later when he needed help and for some of them he thought it wouldn't be too hard for them to help, so now that he can he's going after them to take revenge. Is this not a relational form of revenge? They violated "the relationship." Loyalty is important to him, he says earlier, and this is no different from who he is now really. He is capricious in relationships and as soon as he decides someone hasn't been loyal to him, he turns on them (of course the same standards don't apply to himself as we know--it's one-sided).
He does say much later that business comes to him much more easily than relationships and he talks about how success and relationships are kind of at odds with one another because of how much time/focus it takes to be successful. But meh, he's a narcissist... I dunno.
Also I think loyalty can be a big deal to Fi or Ti types and blah.
What's this gotta do with narcissism? He's 100% right about this.
Yeah, he's 100% right but he's 100% lying about doing it himself. His niece says that other people in his real estate organization do all the actual work. And if you look at his performance with his airline, or his casinos, or his steak sales, or any of his other non-real estate-based businesses that he nuked by being a lazy idiot, or his performance in the White House, you might be reminded of the standard investment warning "Past performance is no guarantee of future results", but you know, it's a pretty good indicator.
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