Why I am LSE

[Expat]

At least according to Ashton:

http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...alk:Dynamicism

I have no inclination to debate this in detail with him, mainly because it's personal -- I don't like him, and I think it's pointless discussing socionics with him. But, perhaps someone will find it interesting (or see it as a better version of socionics than the one I and others represent, no idea).

[Ezra]

Oh so Ashton is Dynamacism. I wanted to know who was spewing out all these controversial mistypings.

Something tells me Fabio and Salawa might have been inspired by his confidence that LIEs can be 7s. Fabio is certain he is a 7, so I don't understand how he can be an LIE.

Salawa, I don't understand how you can think 5's can't be LIEs but 7s can. I'm willing to concede that 5s can't be LIEs if you can do the same with 7s. Only 1s, 3s 6s and 8w9s can be LIEs. Imagine a 2 with Te dominance? Doesn't happen. 4? No. 5 and 7 we've discussed. 9? I don't think so. (Because the 8w9 is less self-starting (which is clearly related to Se; anyone wishes to take me up on that, please do so) than the 8w7, I'm willing to admit that they could be LIEs.)

Anyway, on you as LSE, Expat, no, I don't see it. I don't understand at all how he came to that conclusion, except through superficial points like "you do not lack the concision that the LIE does".

[Joy]

Oh so Ashton is Dynamacism. I wanted to know who was spewing out all these controversial mistypings.

That's what happens when you have an inaccurate point of reference (he thinks he's LIE).

Something tells me Fabio and Salawa might have been inspired by his confidence that LIEs can be 7s.

Except that 1.) Salawa doesn't respect Ashton's knowledge/understanding of Socionics, and 2.) Salawa doesn't think FDG is LIE.

[FDG]

Except that 1.) Salawa doesn't respect Ashton's knowledge/understanding of Socionics, and 2.) Salawa doesn't think FDG is LIE.

Let's just clear this misconception from the start: me and Ashton arrived at ENTj, 7w8 typings of ourselves in a completely indipendent fashion, and we became friends because of the similarity - NOT the opposite!!

Ashton IMHO understands socionics very well if you speak with him extensively. Some of his most controversial typings are due to the fact that he can get biased by emotion.

[Gilly]

Ashton IMHO understands socionics very well if you speak with him extensively.

This is like saying Charlie Manson's ideas about society make more sense the longer he's in prison.

[FDG]

This is like saying Charlie Manson's ideas about society make more sense the longer he's in prison.

Gah, you're so hostile.

[Expat]

Ashton IMHO understands socionics very well if you speak with him extensively. Some of his most controversial typings are due to the fact that he can get biased by emotion.

I really wasn't being facetious, or sarcastic, or devious, when I posted that link. I think that Ashton's "most controversial typings", like saying that I am LSE, he's LIE, Joy is - well - ESE, Diana is EII, etc, are sheer nonsense, but, what the hell, there isn't really a way to prove anything in this stuff, so rather than discuss it deeply with him, which I don't enjoy for personal reasons and see as a waste of time, I thought, well, maybe some people might think he has a point, fair enough. Let them make up their own minds. That was all.

[FDG]

I really wasn't being facetious, or sarcastic, or devious, when I posted that link. I think that Ashton's "most controversial typings", like saying that I am LSE, he's LIE, Joy is - well - ESE, Diana is EII, etc, are sheer nonsense, but, what the hell, there isn't really a way to prove anything in this stuff, so rather than discuss it deeply with him, which I don't enjoy for personal reasons and see as a waste of time, I thought, well, maybe some people might think he has a point, fair enough. Let them make up their own minds. That was all.

I don't agree with all his typings of course

[Joy]

Let's just clear this misconception from the start: me and Ashton arrived at ENTj, 7w8 typings of ourselves in a completely indipendent fashion

Independent of this community?

[Ezra]

Ashton's replies to Expat's replies to Ashton's original typing

[FDG]

Independent of this community?

Yes, yes and yes.

[FDG]

Something tells me Fabio and Salawa might have been inspired by his confidence that LIEs can be 7s.

Wait wait wait let's clear this misconception from the start. I got to know Ashton on the Enneagram board at first and we had already both typed ourselves as ENTj 7w8, so there was no outside pressure. None at all.

[discojoe]

At least according to Ashton:

http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...alk:Dynamicism

I have no inclination to debate this in detail with him, mainly because it's personal -- I don't like him, and I think it's pointless discussing socionics with him. But, perhaps someone will find it interesting (or see it as a better version of socionics than the one I and others represent, no idea).

Come on Expat, ENTjs don't like relaxing with a cigar once a year. If that's not enough for you, here's a wall of text that makes no sense:

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