The delta's are dropping like flies.
The delta's are dropping like flies.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
You'll change to something else soon enough.
yeah i was stunned when i realized i was an INFp. But I think there was still something legitimate to the INTp I thought I was. Looking into Tcauds dual type has convinced me there's more to us than a simple one type.
TOLDJA SO
...k I'm done. Welcome to Beta.
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<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
I wonder if your opinion would've changed if you frequented another forum, Jessica.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
Cyrano... you are tempted by the dark side.. Sooner or later you will turn, too. And then when you face your old delta brothers you will pull out the newest MP-41 submachine gun and slaughter them like pigs. PIGS!! ALL PIGS..
Is this what is known as Beta Se territorial expansion?
I thought about Beta expansion, but could only think of this:
Although this isn't so bad:
Which rather strangely was the first to come up form googling "fat waist from side images", presumably some sort of rubber reducing corset.
I was always sure you were SLI, I know a female SLI petty officer and she VIs like you; but LSI is possible
I have been rethinking my own self-typing, mostly because in the Navy aristocracy, only high ranks get to be cool and have cool Beta personalities like LSI and EIE (which are reserved for high ranks), that way all the subordinates are systematically excluded from the in-crowd/command-center and communicatively in-tune only with their own compatriots...pity...stubborn as I am, I have recently been considering the accepting subtypes of ENTx...
hmmm...then know this: demonstrating a complete lack of understanding* is a sure tactic to achieve that objective no matter what the other side thinks
*by this I mean understanding something (subjectively) besides what you already believe you know and thereby communicating an ability to communicate
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Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world – he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
IEE-Ne
If there isn't any ISTj description among the full body of materials written about socionics that you do identify with to at least some extent, you have a reason to worry.As the newest LSI, I'd like to say that if wikisocion ever get's back up, there needs to be a SERIOUS overhauling of the description. Well basically, I think the descriptions can all just remain deleted because frankly they suck...well most of them.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
FTR: I think this re-typing is wrong. I will quote this message and post "told you so" when Jessica returns to her old typing.
How many people support calling you an INFp knowing that you use tcaudilllgian dual types to explain inconsistencies that arise from doing so?Originally Posted by crazedrat
Meh. I support crazed-as-IEI because he's pretty obviously beta (or at least, he seems beta in the context of this forum, which may or may not be an accurate representation of the beta quadra in general, I'm thinking maybe and of course there's the whole real life =/= forums thing), and consider that said inconsistencies are more likely to result from expecting regular old socionics to cover or account for things that it generally doesn't account for. Or maybe the dual types are right. But why is tcaudillgian an adjective...? *sigh*
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Jessica seems to innocently make comments that I could only make with deliberate maliciousness. When she says that someone is ugly, it is a genuine comment about her feelings toward that person. When I say someone is ugly, it is a calculated snipe at their self-image (and I know this is bad behavior that I need to stop).
So I think Jessica is ST, but she seems to have an Fe PoLR, making Fe ignoring comments because she sincerely doesn't give a damn about it, whereas I ignore Fe because I value it and assume others do too.
Fe PoLR does not try to maintain any kind of positive atmosphere; it doesn't even think about doing so. It makes awkward comments about things because it doesn't give a moment's thought to how inappropriate it is to just come out and say things.
Example:
"Do you still throw spears at each other?"
-Prince Philip (ILI), to Australian Aborigines, during a visit to Queensland, 2002.
Fi PoLR consciously strives to maintain a positive atmosphere, but often crosses the line by accident.
Example:
"The water company sends water to the farmer. The farmer sends grain to the miller--stop drooling, Kevin; it's not Miller beer I'm talking about."
-My economics teacher, to a portly white student in his mid thirties.
I only mention Fi PoLR because I think it's necessary to understand it if you are to understand Fe PoLR properly.
Fe Dual-Seeking is a matter of not being able to emotionally connect with people on your own. People with Fe DS want to have someone who is so emotionally expressive that there is little to no ambiguity about the state of relations between the two from the perspective of the Fe dual-seeker.
What I said about Jessica was not related to a particular trait of Fe dual-seeking, but a remark about how comments she makes make more sense coming from someone with an Fe PoLR than someone with Fe Dual-Seeking. When I make jackass comments to people, I do so with the deliberate intent of making it clear that I regard them with extreme malicious intent, whereas Jessica's comments are more like simple statements of fact.
yay another Beta, and more importantly my dual =)
ENFj Ni subtype 3w4
"And once you lose your way you have two choices. Find the person you used to be or lose that person completely"
formerly onetreehilluver
You've totally misunderstood what I said.
What I am saying is that, when I insult someone, I basically project my own desires onto them and then deny them fulfillment of those desires. I want positive emotional expression, so I lash out at people I don't like with an outrageous demonstration of negative sentiment. I am not saying that this is something I am able to deftly manipulate at will; it happens because I overreact to feelings of frustration, and I don't need any bitchy, judgmental remarks about it.
I think typing by relation in real life is a great way to go, incase you didn't mean that?
Although yeah, it helps to have an idea of what type you are in the first place, but say, you think you might be ISTj or ISTp, then it's easier to decide who you get on with if you can type other people right (assuming the problem is you just can't type yourself).
Trying to decide if you're, for instance, ISTj or ESTp can still be done by relations, maybe better as one soon realises who in their quadra they get on better with (ie, naturally just fit into their rhythm better, like IP/EJ temperaments)
Good distinction, I was talking to someone about this.
Fi Polr - making crude comments or comments that are not considered politically correct for the sake of keeping a desirable emotional atmosphere
Fe Polr - making comments that disregard the emotional state of the person or disrupt the emotional atmosphere for the sake of relationship building, more likely to be seen as stereotypically awkward.
Joe I see what your saying, and thats interesting. I agree somewhat that ISTjs would make less comments like that, probably due to Fi role. That being said, I hesitate to look too much into it. I dont think its indicative of Fe Polr, and I believe she is ISTj-Se so that might explain it a little. Regardless, theres no way in my mind shes a delta. She doesnt exhibit delta values, if her posts over the years are any indication. She doesnt even resemble an SLI in the slightest IMO. She appears to be an absolute beta by any means, I just wonder if its LSI or SLE. In either case I dont see any compelling reason to question her at this point.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not