INTj Insight Much Appreciated!

[FDG]

hmm...ok....well, if you're saying that genorosity and honesty contradict the survival theory, I'd say that those too are forms of survival, whether it's getting on someone's good side through a gift or telling the truth because you think it will benefit you.

That's way too cynical. What about enjoying seeing another person smiling?

[strrrng]

That's way too cynical. What about enjoying seeing another person smiling?

that is an example of an event that smoothly benefits your universe, producing a smile on your face. the wave interactions of giving a gift and seeing someone smile could be conceptualized as your output into the universe, like risking, hoping for benefit, while the other person receives a wave that they feel benefits them and they understand why it was sent out, thus feeling flattered and happy - which means everything is running smoothly, even moreso because nothing can go wrong, no dissonance - and when you receive this message, the same thing happens to you.

my whole wave interaction shit came from here: www.spaceandmotion.com.....it basically has some really compelling evidence for their "theory of physical reality"....there's some hard math that I didn't really focus on, but a lot of good information....once I was able to understand this concept decently, I could apply it to a lot of stuff.

[intjguy]

The saddest truth about introverted logic is that when it's not implemented into the real world it's nothing but a defense mechanism for my long gone ego. The worst truth for an INTj is that he's defective, figure it out.

Through my eyes humans are no different than bacteria. Now, do you really want to hear this?

If you want insight, get it from an INTp. He/she might teach you that life is about feeling, not ones and zeros.

[strrrng]

The saddest truth about introverted logic is that when it's not implemented into the real world it's nothing but a defense mechanism for my long gone ego. The worst truth for an INTj is that he's defective, figure it out.

Through my eyes humans are no different than bacteria. Now, do you really want to hear this?

If you want insight, get it from an INTp. He will tell you that life is about feeling, not ones and zeros.

I like your thinking. we are the same as bacteria in essence because we are both products of the universe. I'm not so sure about the INTp thing. you would probably see that in an INFp.

[Exodus]

The saddest truth about introverted logic is that when it's not implemented into the real world it's nothing but a defense mechanism for my long gone ego. The worst truth for an INTj is that he's defective, figure it out.

Through my eyes humans are no different than bacteria. Now, do you really want to hear this?

If you want insight, get it from an INTp. He/she might teach you that life is about feeling, not ones and zeros.

Whoa...

[Blaze]

The saddest truth about introverted logic is that when it's not implemented into the real world it's nothing but a defense mechanism for my long gone ego. The worst truth for an INTj is that he's defective, figure it out.

Through my eyes humans are no different than bacteria. Now, do you really want to hear this?

If you want insight, get it from an INTp. He/she might teach you that life is about feeling, not ones and zeros.

i would have to say that you have some insight into the LII mindset. you must have a high level of self awareness. however, you're bashing yourself a little bit too much. discussions that i have with LII's are among the most productive i've ever had. they tend to gravitate to over arching theories that explain a lot of things; i tend to gravitate toward theories that explain smaller spheres of activity. between the two of us, we come up with cogent wholes that can be applied to many many things. i cannot think of a better relation for understanding reality.

so don't say that nobody wants to hear what an LII has to say. i do. i don't think the problem is Ti. the problem if the LII is male is Se polr. this sucks for them, since in our culture men are valued mostly for this. if the LII is female Se polr is not as much of a problem. but in my opinion, LII's more than make up for this with their strengths. i think acknowledging their need for Fe types is paramount, as well as acknowledging how much they value Fe is paramount. once you get with people who really appreciate and support you, you'd be surprised by how much your weaknesses fade away and how much your strengths bloom.

socionics says it has to be your dual...i'm not so sure about this. i think it can be your dual, semi dual, illusionary, or activity partner.

[Wittmont]

Good post SunshineLively I often see how much a positive Fe environment means to a LII I know well. Fe is like water to a flower for her.

[Blaze]

thanks Wittmont....all that Fe helps ILE's quite a lot too, hahaha. ;-)

[intjguy]

i don't think the problem is Ti. the problem if the LII is male is Se polr. this sucks for them, since in our culture men are valued mostly for this.

Please elaborate. I have no Se friends.

I appreciate your post liveandletlive.

[mimisor]

Altough we live in totally different worlds, LII's and SEE's are alike in some way. Like we have this passion inside us "that fire in the soul" that we can do exceptional things because of it, but it can also destroy us. Which is why we need someone with a balanced temperament (EJ or IP) that can give a direction in which to go

[bibliophile8]

LIIs, you astound me.

So does the rest of Alpha, by the way.

[mimisor]

"intjguy=The saddest truth about introverted logic is that when it's not implemented into the real world it's nothing but a defense mechanism for my long gone ego. The worst truth for an INTj is that he's defective, figure it out."

You just have to look beyond yourself, guy. What i have discovered is that i need other people. We sometimes don't know how to ask for help. LII's tend to try and solve everything by themselves, which obviously is a self-defeating unwise strategy. The feeling of defectiveness comes rather from disappointment that some things can't be accomplished by yourself alone. i've learned it from wonderful SEI's and SEE's that i happen to interact with in time. I've got to say i am astonished how natural it is for them to grasp this damn simple fact of life. We do have things to learn from them and that's ok, because they can also learn things from us. That's just how life works, i guess.

[Mediator Kam]

LII's seem to have that "me against the world" attitude,and I like that in them. Unfortunately, they sometimes take it too far, which makes me sadddd.

I am going to tell every LII I know(and I know a couple) to stop feeling defective and start feeling the , because Fe makes the world go around.

With their and my , we'll rule the world together. They can govern and be all smart, and I can appease the people with my witticisms. Sounds like a plan, no?

[liveandletlive]

LII's seem to have that "me against the world" attitude,and I like that in them. Unfortunately, they sometimes take it too far, which makes me sadddd.

I am going to tell every LII I know(and I know a couple) to stop feeling defective and start feeling the , because Fe makes the world go around.

With their and my , we'll rule the world together. They can govern and be all smart, and I can appease the people with my witticisms. Sounds like a plan, no?

spoken like a true ISFp!

intjguy- that's a very LII post as well IME and IMO. I know you probably don't want to hear advice from your conflict, but here it goes... everyone benefits from your in one way or another so don't think that it's useless. I know that you think that you think people are similar to bacteria in that everything we do and are is calculable, but i think you're not giving your enough credit. All the LIIs I know are very polite and courteous and that puts everyone at ease too! I know that this may not help you feel any better, but you should know that it's not as bad as you may think.

[Jimbean]

that is an example of an event that smoothly benefits your universe, producing a smile on your face. the wave interactions of giving a gift and seeing someone smile could be conceptualized as your output into the universe, like risking, hoping for benefit, while the other person receives a wave that they feel benefits them and they understand why it was sent out, thus feeling flattered and happy - which means everything is running smoothly, even moreso because nothing can go wrong, no dissonance - and when you receive this message, the same thing happens to you.

my whole wave interaction shit came from here: www.spaceandmotion.com.....it basically has some really compelling evidence for their "theory of physical reality"....there's some hard math that I didn't really focus on, but a lot of good information....once I was able to understand this concept decently, I could apply it to a lot of stuff.

I think it would be a good question to ask if the value of that karma wave exceeds the value of the altruistic act.