Examples of Fi

[Minde]

I know Ann tried this a little bit ago, but I'd like to try it again a slightly different way, with less theory. I think it might be more helpful and educational than running in verbal circles. I say this because I tend to learn well by seeing something, not just hearing about it. So, what are some examples of Fi?

What are situations where people show or have shown Fi? Or even another function as contrasted with Fi?

[Blaze]

you really want to go here again minde?

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

[Beautiful sky]

you really want to go here again minde?

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

I wouldn't do that Blaze...I would simply give her a hand out myself and not make you feel guilty; such a small detail is not important to me...you see EII doing this?

*coughsupervisioncough*

Please explain this post to me.

I think all information aspects have a good side and a bad side. Or maybe many potential good sides and bad sides. Anyway, none are only good, and none are only bad.

A good side of Fi is taking care of those you have relationships with. A bad side of Fi is shaming people into doing what you think should be done.

That's what I did to cracka yesterday, I feel bad still for doing it.

[tereg]

I do not stand by what I wrote in this thread two and a half years ago about this subject, for the record.

[Beautiful sky]

I do not stand by what I wrote in this thread two and a half years ago about this subject, for the record.

I didn't read it. But, I just did and it's all wrong.

[Mattie]

I do not stand by what I wrote in this thread two and a half years ago about this subject, for the record.

Yeah, if we could calm down on the necroposting, that'd be nice.

[Suz]

Yeah, if we could calm down on the necroposting, that'd be nice.

in a way i'm enjoying it

[sarinana]

you really want to go here again minde?

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

that's more Se way of understanding "caring" IMO. Not Fi.

[Slacker]

that's more Se way of understanding "caring" IMO. Not Fi.

I can see it being Fi specifically paired with Se. I think you're both right. Since she's ILE, she'd be particularly sensitive to Fi paried with Se.

[sarinana]

I can see it being Fi specifically paired with Se. I think you're both right. Since she's ILE, she'd be particularly sensitive to Fi paried with Se.

mhm not sure about Fi part... but I expect my friends to do these things for me too and betas or gamma they are ok with helping their friends but this friend of mine who is probably alpha NT never does things like that unless I tell her before.
Ne is quite individualistic while Se is more I'll help you and later you will help me there is no need to ask.

[marooned]

mhm not sure about Fi part... but I expect my friends to do these things for me too and betas or gamma they are ok with helping their friends but this friend of mine who is probably alpha NT never does things like that unless I tell her before.
Ne is quite individualistic while Se is more I'll help you and later you will help me there is no need to ask.

I think it is more Se/Fi because I could see SeTi/TiSe going "if I help you, what do I get out of it?" or "I don't care about this/it's not important to me, so help yourself." I think Fi brings more of the obligation of doing things for others at close relational distance just because that's what you do at close relational distance. I think Ti is more not wanting to feel obligated, although obviously Alpha more than Beta as I agree about the Ne independence thing.

[Minde]

you really want to go here again minde?

Yes, if it means I can manage to squeeze something useful out of it. "Hope springs eternal..."

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

Good. Yes, that's the type of thing I meant.

[Mea]

I'm not sure if this is the best example, but here it goes anyways:

So it's a couple days before Christmas a year ago, and an ISFj friend that I have comes up to me with this extremely fancy looking gift bag, which looked like it took a while to put together. Of course, it's for me ( ), and of course, I didn't get anyone presents because I didn't care enough. So I'm standing there with this (relatively) expensive present, and it turns out that I was the only person at school who she bought a present for. I had absolutely no idea that she cared for me that much, and therefore I felt pretty bad that I couldn't reciprocate.

I'm making her a really nice bracelet this year to make up for that, heh.

I relate to this much more than Blaze's example of the ISFj.

[Creepy-bg]

Blaze's example made me think "What a bitch!" (not you Blaze, but ur boss)

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Ezra]

Yes please; let's have some examples. No one understands Fi.

[Gilly]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

[Minde]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Then you should have no problem coming up with lots of great examples for us.

[Gilly]

*reads the first post*
*headdesk*

[Minde]

[xyz]

you really want to go here again minde?

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

Are you serious?

[Gilly]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

[Creepy-bg]

Blaze's example made me think "What a bitch!" (not you Blaze, but ur boss)

I'd be taken back and sort of resentful that anyone would expect such Si from me if I was Blaze in that situation.

I'd be pissed that I was getting a talking to over somebody else being late. (to be quite honest I'd most likely be the one showing up 25 minutes late to the meeting )

(sorry to derail ur thread Minde)

[/hijack]

[Blaze]

Blaze's example made me think "What a bitch!" (not you Blaze, but ur boss)

I'd be taken back and sort of resentful that anyone would expect such Si from me if I was Blaze in that situation.

I'd be pissed that I was getting a talking to over somebody else being late. (to be quite honest I'd most likely be the one showing up 25 minutes late to the meeting )

(sorry to derail ur thread Minde)

[/hijack]

yeah i kinda was too but wtf can you do? hahaha

so diana you consider this Si not Fi?

[Gilly]

I'd say it's a combination of ethics and sensing. Way too vague to pin on one function.

[cracka]

you really want to go here again minde?

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

I woulda went crazy on this person... boss or not... If not a boss and just a colleague on a lateral level as i am, oh damn it woulda been a bad scene...lol

I'm sure the first thing I would have said was, "I wasn't late, I'm not a babysitter, that's your job."
I'd also expect anyone sitting/standing near the late person to share the handout with them, this shouldn't even be something for a person to ask.
lol, you want to feel some ESFJ wrath, blame something on me that was someone else's fault. If I do something I'll be the first to take the blame, on anything... but if it's something as posted above... well that's just crazy to me.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[munenori2]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

This is a pretty good example.

[Ezra]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Not to me. Ni is either about time, or about inner worlds and fantasies. A lot of music is Ni-caked. Fi though? How do you really show Fi in a song?

[Ms. Kensington]

hm.. my INFj friend ascribes human like attributes and seems to feel genuine care for the pidgeons on the deck. I remember this was one time i felt, "her Fi is so pervasive". All things are seen through the form of relations with living things and their ethical treatment and personal needs. *shrug*

[Minde]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

That's lovely, but is that all? I'm sure you have more up your sleeve. Especially after claiming to know Fi so well.

[Mediator Kam]

Apparently, is my dominant function.

Getting into arguments about my strong values system and talking about how I feel sometimes is my way of expressing Fi.

[Minde]

Apparently, is my dominant function.

Getting into arguments about my strong values system and talking about how I feel sometimes is my way of expressing Fi.

As an ISFp, your two dominant functions would be and , not .

[Mediator Kam]

Apparently, is my dominant function.

Getting into arguments about my strong values system and talking about how I feel sometimes is my way of expressing Fi.

As an ISFp, your two dominant functions would be and , not .

OO, got my jungian/socionics functions mixed up, xD.

Nice call Minde.

[force my hand]

The evaluating nature of Fi seems apparent in the way my ISFj mother weighs the timing of social calls and functions. Be it coffee at someone's house or a supper, it operates on a subjective, "well, we've had them over x amout of times, and they've had us over x-1 times, so it's their turn to host." Essentially meaning that until they (my parents) were invited over, she would not be offering an invitation.

If you think about that in a certain context, it sounds negative and tacky, but she's from a conservative, prarie background where that kind of logic took on a positive role. All parties were assumed to have been on board with the idea. I think most of us also kind of operate on that level too - who hasn't gotten fed up with a friend who never makes an effort to get in touch?

In her, Fi also judges behaviour based on utility. Stunt pilots are a 'menace' and 'should not put their families through that', but normal pilots who make a living from transporting people and goods can be 'allowed' to fly planes.

[munenori2]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Not to me. Ni is either about time, or about inner worlds and fantasies. A lot of music is Ni-caked. Fi though? How do you really show Fi in a song?

Well, I would say that first and foremost there is when you mentally associate a song with an internal feeling, maybe due to what's going on when you hear it. The best examples I can think of are movies/video games, say when Cid tries to save everyone by strapping a bomb to his chest and diving off the airship to seal off the underworld (FFIV) or when Celes, despairing over having watched her foster father wither away and finally succumb to his illness, throws herself off the cliff on the island they had been stranded on, yet survives (FFVI). Also, you might also say that it can be combined with Ni, 'constructing' emotional content in the form of a scenario like these I've mentioned, perhaps love between two people that is realized or torn apart or even epic battles between good and evil, the underdog, the weak, and those that abuse power. I'm not really sure what I'm trying to get out here, other than that Fi might be the more visceral emotional content that, depending on how it is understood by the person experiencing it, might be given various forms using whatever natural creative or comprehensive strengths that individual possesses.

So, when at least I talk about Fi, I suppose I'm saying that I take what I most naturally see in the world (people, the relationships which must exist between them, raw emotional feels) and try to make sense of them, give them a form that is expressible or explainable (something I can point to), as well as play creatively with this understanding to make something new.

But I feel like I've been beating this whole Fi and music connection into the ground lately. I think I've gotten a better personal grasp on it though. Anyway, I hope this is helpful in some way.

[Exodus]

I don't know, I think "raw emotional feels" could just as easily be Fe.

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Not to me. Ni is either about time, or about inner worlds and fantasies.

Ni probably has more to do with time than any other element, but I don't think that "time" captures what it's really about. It's about the development of things over time.

[UDP]

Inviting people to discuss your type means that it's not possible for them to cross lines or say anything else that pisses you off?

No, but maybe my standards for crossing lines are a bit different. I just haven't seen much justification here for cussing people out. Perhaps I should have said that this behavior falls under my idea of unreasonableness.

Pray, everyone continue being exactly who they want to be. Just don't expect me to always like or approve of it.

http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...=294089#294089


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[Gilly]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Not to me. Ni is either about time, or about inner worlds and fantasies. A lot of music is Ni-caked. Fi though? How do you really show Fi in a song?

You describe your relationship with a person...pretty simple.

Ni is not just "time or fantasies." There's actually a definition.

[Gilly]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

That's lovely, but is that all? I'm sure you have more up your sleeve. Especially after claiming to know Fi so well.

pfff...is that a challenge?

Ok, here's another one. I skipped class the other day because I was in the middle of a discussion with my friend about mental disorders. With most people, I would have said "Man, I got like 5 minutes, I gotta split..." But it was a pretty deep conversation and I needed to be there for him, so I skipped.

Here's a good example of rectifying ignorance of Fi with Fe. Yesterday in the car on the way home from the airport, it came up that I had made a scheduling conflict: last week I had agreed to both go out with friends AND cook dinner for my parents last night. I had to make a choice, so I thought about the fact that I hadn't talked to my friend Colin, who was coming to get me, in a while, and I knew that he had been feeling like I was ignoring him since I'm rarely in my room to answer the phone at school. My parents have a hard time getting in touch with me, too, but we've discussed it in depth, and I had talked to them more in the recent past. In other words, I knew that Colin was probably feeling worse about the situation since he didn't know exactly what was going on. Also, I'm living with my parents for the week, and as such, it seemed not entirely inappropriate to "shaft" them just the once in order to reunite with friends.

See, the Fi bond between my parents and I is obviously stronger than with my friends. That's weird for me to say, because I love my friends like hell and I would usually rather spend time with them than my parents, but there's nothing higher than family. If I had made an Fi decision, it would be simple: "I love my family more, so they are my priority." But I examined not the constant, "static" relation between myself and my parents and friends, but the "dynamics," the current happenstances, in order to determine who it would be better to ask to make a compromise with.