I dislike you judging me. I dislike you A LOT. WHY DON'T YOU JUST TYPE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF CRITICIZING ME?Originally Posted by Slacker
I dislike you judging me. I dislike you A LOT. WHY DON'T YOU JUST TYPE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF CRITICIZING ME?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Tentatively agree. Another SLI frazzled in the EIE fire that is Hollywood perhaps? Yet he is so frazzled I think that in many ways he's beyond accurate typing, I wouldn't rule out SLE.And Sheen's eyes actually look Si/Ne to me, and Fi-valuing. True I see a resemblance to Clint Eastwood. (but again, he's SLI).
Fe-POLR as hell.
IEE-Ne
I agree with this too, actually.
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Sure... I can see what you're saying, haven't ruled it out, and agree on the fact that he's not typeable at the moment. Too unhealthy.
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If there's "no Si anywhere in him" why has he essentially built his life to revolve around pleasure-seeking activities?
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She just typed you.
I think drugs are clouding his type. Untypeable at the moment, but I'll put my money on SLI.
IEI-Fe 4w3
As you've said Charlie is a very physical being (lol tiger's blood is actually a really good description). and to me he seems quite infantile in his beliefs (). SEE is a possibility but he seems very logical (unethical).
He seems more physically aggressive than mentally but I haven't watched many interviews so I can't rule out Delta ST.
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infantile =As you've said Charlie is a very physical being (lol tiger's blood is actually a really good description). and to me he seems quite infantile in his beliefs (
He seems more physically aggressive than mentally but I haven't watched many interviews so I can't rule out Delta ST.
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ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
what would Si be?
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Charlie is SLE or at least Beta and Fe valuing. He is not Fi valuing.
He is still a likable guy for a lot of people, even through he is more or less a raging alcoholic psycho who bangs hookers and other hot trashy chicks. (This sounds pretty good with a lot of guys.)
He's going to make a lot of money from all the stuff he's been saying and the publicity he's getting. People expect Charlie to be totally crazy, and as long as he doesn't do something that's just going to put him in jail for life or get him killed, people will still pay attention and watch what he does.
As far as Chuck Lorre, I think he's some sort of delta(IEE) and this is one of the reasons that Charlie really dislikes him.
Si doesn't have an infantile associated with it (being an introverted function) but its weakness manifests in victimized beliefs/ideas. I think the difference between aggressing infantiles and victims is infantiles "cry about it" or get deeply offended while victims are ok with it and shrug it off (or benefit from it?).
ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
ya, he seems like a super unhealthy drugged out ISTp to me! He's like, all the things I don't want my ISTp to ever become, but my ISTp finds him amusing, and he actually typed him ISTp before I did.
I don't see ESTp. He doesn't show a lot of Se. He seems like a loud drugged out ISTp.
Has anyone seen an ISTp on a lot of caffeine? Or after they do something crazy and have endorphins going? That's what he seems like to me. But with drugs.
Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)
that's Bree Olsen right?
I've definitely been around an ISTp on a lot of caffeine and on an adrenaline rush. Charlie Sheen reminds me a LOT of him in many ways. And that photo i posted above, SAME exact expression.
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I just saw his interview, he speaks like any other insane (maybe E3) ESTp I've seen (see also: Danny Bonaduce).
This next connection is going to sound like a stretch but here goes:
http://realtruthonline.blogspot.com/...-greatest.html
Charlie Sheen believes Thomas Jefferson was a "Pussy"
Thomas Jefferson is commonly typed (by the Russians) as INTj
Relations of ESTp Supervising (looking down on) INTj seems to work better than Beneficiarying (looking up to) INTj.
ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
Some people brought-up his drug use/mental issues and I agree that can play a huge part in clouding his typing, though if I had to guess I'd lean towards SLE. I've noticed that in between his insane rantings he talks about not thinking about the consequences of his actions (more or less) and having it blow-up in his face, but reverts back to the same chaotic mannerisms which could indicate Se dominance, Ni seeking
But like I said, I think the guy is probably sick (bipolar?) so I'm still hesitant about this
I'm not following this heavily but from what I've heard from some of his ex lovers is that he's a rather aggressive guy, and even has stated so himself
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I think he's funny.
What type was his character on 2 1/2 men?
very good analysis Chrispy.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
hahaha charlie sheen is a fuckin' pimp
ENFj. All that 'crazy talk' is
Yeah, this guy is a crazy EIE. He is full of pompous dramatics. And he kind of looks like Bono.ENFj. All that 'crazy talk' is
http://www.ustream.tv/charliesheen
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Or just, you know...drugs.ENFj. All that 'crazy talk' is
LOL. Or just crazy even. Not just Ni ego people have mental stability problems.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I don't think that it's just the drugs. For instance, he seems to know how to manipulate his fans to follow and support him fairly well, and he knows how to play off the media. He sees himself as some sort of a brave and courageous folk-hero who rebels against the evil media empire and Hollywood. I'd say that's more of a Beta attitude.
Even if he is crazy... he acts like a crazy Beta.
At first I felt like the media was being too viscous and annoying, talking about Charlie Sheen, judging him, etc... no earthquakes to talk about etc....
but I have to admit, after hearing him say "WINNING" like a valley girl over and over and over and over and over, I want to hate him violently... what a douche.
I mean some of the stuff he says I agree with but the other stuff pisses me off, for example... is it so inconceivable that some people just find him annoying and its not that they are jealous because of his "winning". It's like baiting people, "look at me I'm better than you, that's why you don't like me!".... then the people respond "No we don't like you cause you're annoying us".... then he responds "There that's jealously".... iterate infinitely. That's how his brain works lol.
I think if I were under constant scrutiny and had as much attention put on me as celebrities do, I'd do some seriously crazy things..toss in a drug addiction and alcohol and wow, watch out. I wouldn't do it for attention but because I wouldn't be able to handle it. I've often said, my idea of hell would be being famous.
I've acted crazy many times and I'm sure that resembled some sort of Beta attitude...I think that's why some people here thought i was beta in the first place. But crazy isn't just limited to the Betas...I've noticed that around here and I'm not going to bring up the 'if you have any sort of emotional outburst, you're automatically Beta' or 'if you're entertaining and crazy' you're automatically Beta...oh sorry, i just did.
Why is this specifically a Beta thing?
He seems kind of wooden to me, outside of his recent crazyness. I'm a child of the 80s so I mainly know him from Platoon and that kind of thing. If he is Beta, I don't think he's a Beta NF. I don't see him as necessarily being Beta at all though.He sees himself as some sort of a brave and courageous folk-hero who rebels against the evil media empire and Hollywood.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
That's what I was thinking. It might not be accurate to type him on what he does now in his current state since something is clearly going on with him mentally...but mental/drug issues aside, to say it's a strictly Beta attitude when these stars rebel against the media is inaccurate because I'd do the same exact thing. Beating up a paparazzi, for example. I actually don't see how some stars don't come close to killing those guys cuz i couldn't handle it. That doesn't mean I'm Beta. I just like privacy.
Because Betas often (but not all) have this "rebellious" me against the rest of the world attitude... Seeing himself as a hero of the people I think is fairly typical of EIEs... and his attempt to overthrow his "enemy" (or what he perceives as such) is perhaps Se? He is like a little ******, so puffed-up and full of himself, he launches vitriol rants after rants against his "enemies", hopefully gaining followers for his "cause" in the process.
Typical Betas like John Lennon, Marilyn Manson and Madonna all have that kind of attitude (but not the ****** part).
Well being a Beta NF or Fe doesn't necessarily mean that you have to always be animated or emotional or fluid (some EIEs are especially rigidly controlled). I'm guessing that he is someone who rigidly controls his feelings, and that's not really type-related (how could he not? He is likely defensive and vulnerable, and if he didn't then he would likely go to pieces, like have sudden urges of violence. For some people rigidly controlling their feelings is a necessity.) But still, I think that his rather strong "Fe" shows up in his bombastic and "poetic" language, in his "rants". But then again this pretty much boils down to "He's too crazy to be typed, so he can not be assigned a type". Maybe that's true, I don't know.
I think seeing yourself as "me against teh world" is less likely to be type related than containing your emotions like he does. Yeah some betas have that attitude, but lots of people feel that way, includign people who aren't Beta.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
He may be rigidly controlled in his emotions and come off across as being wooden, but then again so does Bono, who he is clearly an EIE. You don't typically see Bono showing a lot of emotions in his face, for example. In fact, I see some resemblance between Sheen and Bono...
Do you think that there is not a lot of emotions in this video? (a lot of strong anger there) http://www.ustream.tv/charliesheen
His "passionate" anger just goes on and on... and there's not much sign of it stopping for a while (perhaps typical for EJ). That might be typical of a fairly stressed and unadjusted EIE using his violent anger to get his way. It's actually kind of disturbing, heh.
I think that containing your emotions may simply be a necessity for disturbed and threatened individuals like Charlie Sheen, who may not want to show their vulnerability. I think that it's fairly typical to restrict your emotional expressions, no matter what type you are, when you feel that you are in a threatening environment that may be ready to take advantage of you. Prison in-mates in prisons for example would out of necessity need to harden themselves and restrict their emotional expressions.
Last edited by Singu; 03-12-2011 at 12:23 PM.
Like I said, I mainly know him from teh 80s, from before he went off the deep end, and he would have been the same type then as now. I'm not going to type off crazy rantings.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Are you with the trolls?
Last edited by Park; 03-13-2011 at 03:08 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Well, I guess that this typing basically boils down to something like "He is emotionally contained and rigid and stiff, therefore he must be something like an SLI or Fe PoLR".
But take a look at Bono, he is also very emotionally contained, and he hardly shows any obvious emotional expressions, yet he is an EIE:
I guess that I can't exactly be convinced of Charlie Sheen's type, but it's something to consider and take note. It's not as if Fe types can't ever be emotionally contained or control their emotions, or that they're always showing emotions 24/7.
I think it's less about rigid control of the face and more about inappropriate emotional outbursts and facial expressions for the situation.
For example, one thing i often see in SLIs' faces is that furrowed brow, but the unique thing about it is that it's there when there is no reason to have a furrowed brow. Charlie Sheen has that feature. He also speaks in a quick jabbery jabbery, consonant-filled monotone that also does not reflect the situation necessarily. Very very unlike Bono.
But hey, i'm not dead set on Sheen being SLI, so bring on the suggestions.
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