i'd expect not. because isfj's hold themselves to the same standard as everybody else.
my father could be in a (delta) league of his own...
i'd expect not. because isfj's hold themselves to the same standard as everybody else.
my father could be in a (delta) league of his own...
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
that's because you don't think that Fi has anything to do with roles. haven't we made the point that Fi perception of underlying relationship drives outward expression, as evidenced by boundaries, roles, and social rules?Originally Posted by Diana
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Is this an example? My ISFp dad used to play practical jokes on my INFj mom. One of the worst (to her) was when he poured cold water on her in the shower. Just wanted to get a rise out of her but she was really upset and didn't think it was funny at all. She thought that no loving husband would do such a thing to his wife. He thought it was hilarious. But has since realized it was immature.He still has to hold himself back from doing things kind of like that (not so extreme) out of respect for my mother's sense of what is appropriate or not appropriate.
IEI-Fe 4w3
Are you sure he wasn't just fucking with you? Also, would he have said that if you were at his house? Or if both of you were at someone else's house? (I think a lot of Fi types hold people to their own standards, btw... Not all of them do, of course, but a lot of them.)
ögbeler ondar bombunung khöömeileer sat manchakainyng sygydy kyrgys soruktunung kargyraazy kara-sal ak-ooldung khöömei sygydy snachy kyzyl-ooldung sygydy bisting tyva. kadararda khoyum charash dadyr dodur kham alhyzhy avtyng derii mörgul sygyt toruktug dolgai tangdym oorzhak khunashtaar-ool bile. maksim daglainyng khöömei sygydy ugbahkylar ooldar ulug-khemim, sayan, tangdym aratyng yry sygyt teve khaya.
no no no no no no no
.
yeah he was fucking with me using a pseudo, manipulative Fi approach. *cough* delta supervision. he may have repeated this in his house but probably not someone else's.Are you sure he wasn't just fucking with you? Also, would he have said that if you were at his house? Or if both of you were at someone else's house? (I think a lot of Fi types hold people to their own standards, btw... Not all of them do, of course, but a lot of them.)
which is why i told him to step off.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Or rather, the only way social rules could be based on Fi is if those social rules are set by somebody else.no no no no no no no
aa-shuu dekei-oo eerbek-aksy kaldak khamar steppe borbanngadyr. chiraa-khoor eki attar irik chuduk sygyt khomuz ödugen taiga.
huhu namyil ayaz eruu cagaan bolimor tavan hasag horgoi torgon deel tanz. buyant gol uglee shaazgai govin undur naadmin ugluu hadin oroigoor durvun uul siilen buur taivan namar cenherlen haragdah boroonii uul chandmani nutag.
i agree that this is one aspect. esp of the connection between Fi and Fe. what i am saying is that there are external aspects to Fi in terms of how it is expressed.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
An SEE would have supervised him in return my saying "Get your own damn coffee!yeah he was fucking with me using a pseudo, manipulative Fi approach. *cough* delta supervision. he may have repeated this in his house but probably not someone else's.Are you sure he wasn't just fucking with you? Also, would he have said that if you were at his house? Or if both of you were at someone else's house? (I think a lot of Fi types hold people to their own standards, btw... Not all of them do, of course, but a lot of them.)
which is why i told him to step off.
i can totally see this! lolIs this an example? My ISFp dad used to play practical jokes on my INFj mom. One of the worst (to her) was when he poured cold water on her in the shower. Just wanted to get a rise out of her but she was really upset and didn't think it was funny at all. She thought that no loving husband would do such a thing to his wife. He thought it was hilarious. But has since realized it was immature.
by way of contrast, i'd get him back with some cold water for his shower! hahaha
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
.
i left it out but yeah that's what i said. then he got really angry and started in. haha that's when i told him to step off. *side note* interesting dynamic: when feeling overly supervised, do you try to adopt the role of your supervisor's supervisor?An SEE would have supervised him in return my saying "Get your own damn coffee!yeah he was fucking with me using a pseudo, manipulative Fi approach. *cough* delta supervision. he may have repeated this in his house but probably not someone else's.Are you sure he wasn't just fucking with you? Also, would he have said that if you were at his house? Or if both of you were at someone else's house? (I think a lot of Fi types hold people to their own standards, btw... Not all of them do, of course, but a lot of them.)
which is why i told him to step off.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
my understanding of what you are focusing on with Fi is the introverted aspect of feeling the relationship...my proposition is that there is a follow up to this...an extraverted expression or demonstration of this.I don't know what you mean.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Fi is much more comparable to Ti than it is to Fe.
.
This is partially one of the benefits of the use of Ji/Je terminology. *cough, cough*
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
is this thread not a comparison of Fi and Fe? isn't that the topic?
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
.
I see no use in classifying them together, especially for a n00b. They're different enough that in most conversations, they shouldn't be referred to together. Especially by a n00b.This is partially one of the benefits of the use of Ji/Je terminology. *cough, cough*
the topic is Fiis this thread not a comparison of Fi and Fe? isn't that the topic?
maybe so but we've been talking about Fe all along. and comparing and contrasting. to take that you Fi lovin rule-makers! LOL
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Well then thank Jung we are not n00bs. :wink:I see no use in classifying them together, especially for a n00b. They're different enough that in most conversations, they shouldn't be referred to together. Especially by a n00b.This is partially one of the benefits of the use of Ji/Je terminology. *cough, cough*
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
But thank god there are b00bsWell then thank Jung we are not n00bs. :wink:I see no use in classifying them together, especially for a n00b. They're different enough that in most conversations, they shouldn't be referred to together. Especially by a n00b.This is partially one of the benefits of the use of Ji/Je terminology. *cough, cough*
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
...how did I know that was going to come up?But thank god there are b00bsWell then thank Jung we are not n00bs. :wink:I see no use in classifying them together, especially for a n00b. They're different enough that in most conversations, they shouldn't be referred to together. Especially by a n00b.This is partially one of the benefits of the use of Ji/Je terminology. *cough, cough*
IEI-Fe 4w3
.
I'm quite interested in the concept of unconsciousYes it is. Very much so. The thing is though Fi ego types have strong (unconscious) Fe, and Fe ego types have strong (unconscious) Fi -- so those get mixed the same way Te-Ti do or Ne-Ni.and
actually. What does this look like in actual external action or internal undertone? ie: In an
As an alternate example, what would that strong unconscious stream of
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
**********
according to the principles of sekeljjian economics, the statements in question might be venerated.
we've been talking about Fe/Ti vs. Fi, as far as I could tell (I tend to think that what a lot of people see as "Fe values" are actually Ti values)
Well i think they shouldn't need that assurance, and not all Fe types do. But it just sticks out to me that duh, Peter has not established a relation with her (what i get from the post correct me if im wrong) so she shouldn't be so uptight is my feeling. It will take some getting to know each other before she gets it that it's peter's way, or whatever. It's just that you're right that that's what an Fe person's language is. Put otherwise, why should she be expected to decode what a nod means to Peter?
You'll all see that each question already assumes the respective value set of the asker. But IMHO i think if a guest is in your house you have entered the territory of Fe since they are not operating under the rules that you have in your relationship, seems by definition of Fi.
I hear you. No, really I do. I just hope that you understand that this feeling of drowning in a sea of voices trying to clarify the misconceptions of Fi is about the same feeling that many Fe/Ti valuing people on this forum sometimes.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
I don't think Fe/Ti people have feelings.I hear you. No, really I do. I just hope that you understand that this feeling of drowning in a sea of voices trying to clarify the misconceptions of Fi is about the same feeling that many Fe/Ti valuing people on this forum sometimes.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I forgot, but just to add, I also forgot that Fe/Ti people are stupid and pointless.I don't think Fe/Ti people have feelings.I hear you. No, really I do. I just hope that you understand that this feeling of drowning in a sea of voices trying to clarify the misconceptions of Fi is about the same feeling that many Fe/Ti valuing people on this forum sometimes.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
and whiners, apparently
You can't spell 'Fetish' without.
...I guess that leaves 'shhh', right?
No, we do not have those types. Sorry, but you must be mistaken.and whiners, apparently
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
If no
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Reply With Quote
