INTj-ESFj dual couples
Desiree Hartsock (ESE-Fe) & Chris Siegfried (LII) from The Bachelorette S9
Josh Beech (LII) and Shenae Grimes-Beech (ESE), another LII-ESE dual couple
(their friend's Jesse Jo Stark type is IEI-Ni).
ENTp-ISFp dual couple (that did not last)
Vienna Girardi (ILE) and Gregory Michael (SEI)
Last edited by silke; 11-05-2013 at 03:07 PM.
she looks ESE alright, but he VI's IEI to me, nothing remotely resembling LII that I see in the way he looks, speaks and moves and what he speaks...Originally Posted by silke
seems more EII than anything, she reminds me of the woman in this video: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post994965 I was going to comment on the semblance with @TheWholeEnglish but I see Refi has gotten to it already
How does that make him beta? The topic of this video that you posted "whatever experience you need is the one you're having at the moment" is something that comes out of EII philosophical arsenal. It phases out the need to move on forward and actively create one's own experiences, replacing it with a passive expectation and acceptance the conditions that life has provided you with, meanwhile making yourself believe that this is the best possible outcome. If anything this mantra was designed to alleviate the worries of Si h.a. : "Life will give you whatever experience is most helpful for the evolution of your consciousness. How do you know this is the experience you need? Because this is the experience you are having at the moment." - Eckhart Tolle, type EII - a condensed version of what Tyler is saying in that video and not representative of beta pov.
Strange, because he looks a lot like an LII guy I used to work with. If you watch them together, there are a couple of instances when he acts like he needs help much unlike an IEI and she rushes to aid him. Around 1:15 she says that it was so easy for them to get together that she was a bit startled by it. This is a very common 'complaint' in dual relations - an expectation of there being more barriers and difficulties to overcome, followed by slight surprise at the naturalness and ease - but this would be an unusual account of supervision.
Last edited by silke; 04-15-2014 at 11:41 PM.
That so perfectly describes the EII mindset. This philosophical resignation has occasionally caused me to mistake some of them for IPs, especially SEIs. But they are not sensors, they cope less well with the environment than SEIs.
Also, that attitude of resignation often goes against my Beta attitude of we can fix this, let's push really hard to make a change. So it has been a source of friction in a few of my relationships with EIIs. But I have to hand it to them because in hard times, they are really good at accepting their fate with grace.
You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukq_XJmM-k
You guyz???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Jim, Invisible. "Socionics something something". The16types.info shoutbox; May 15, 2014.
well, firstly I may be wrong of courseand I haven't watched the show cause it's US based, so I saw only a few youtube clips of him with her. What makes me think IEI was sth in his eyes and facial expressions, some of the movements. The only IEI male I knew irl was raised by a LII male so Idk how much of this can be due to this sponge-like chameleon quality that I've read IEIs are supposed to have (but even writing this seems like a far fetched idea).
When it comes to need of help - sometimes everyone needs it and IEIs are "victims" and I've seen IEI acting in need of help, although the IEI was quite a strong person in general.
In general - (assuming this is ESE and IEI) they'd share Fe and Ti... given the show where they met was weird imho and there she was romancing some guy who people supposedly typed EII and they had some communication issues (I don't mean huge arguments, just not being on the same page especially when it comes to feeling/expressing feelings - possibly Fe/Fi), she might just as well be happy to find someone who uses similar emotional expression (Fe) and patterns of thinking (Ti). I know one married couple in a supervision relationship (different types, but female is supervisee, male supervisor). It's not so rosy anymore after a few years (and she seems to be getting visibly stifled), but initially she was acting/reporting in pretty much similar words when it comes to how good she feels with him. I wouldn't associate feeling good in the beginning of the relationship with being duals. I don't think duals are the only people who can feel good together especially in the initial phase of the relationship when the brain chemistry is quite special. And by the initial phase I mean roughly first 2-3 years, especially if the relationship is moving forward and decisions of life together are being made adding more excitement to the picture.
In the end, like I said, I may be wrong, we all could, cause this is typing some strangers, a lot of it by VI, while they're "half-celebrities" and no "reality" show or interview is going to be as real as spending some time with them in real life...
Last edited by aisa; 04-16-2014 at 07:55 AM.
I have my doubts that Tolle is EII. But regardless, from this video we can see that Cook is a Dynamic and not a Static. Great, that narrows him down to Si or Ni. Well, first off, is Cook describing the situation with sensoric information? No, he talking about underlying spirits, which is reminiscent of the communication styles of say, Jung and Hegel, two other Ni users imo. Next, he's talking about power dynamics, "he's playing to win". Se/Ni users value the appraisal of power dynamics in this way, while Si/Ne users do not. Finally, at the beginning of the video, he talks about "becoming the best possible version of yourself". This is straight up Se/Ni language. I'll cite if you want me to (otherwise I'm too lazy), but there are resources which state that Judicious types be who they are unabashedly, while Decisive types become who they want to be. I think there are merits too both styles, but I think this is an outlook of a Decisive.
Great example! @aisa He vibes more IJ than IP to me. It is interesting to watch with the sound off. His movements are precise in a way that I associate with IJs. At one point she is talking and you can see his face up close. He responds to her Fe in a way that I dont think an IEI would. When they walk together you can see her physical confidence contrasting with his more careful movement.
You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukq_XJmM-k
hmm what you write about his face from close up is interesting when it comes to Fe reaction, I still can't see him as LII at this point though just yet, but I've watched a few more videos and I'll take a step back from saying that he is not one.
what do you think about him in this video?
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