Examples of Socionics Alpha types

[Ryan]

has been a while since I've typed him.

"As a kid I was extremely spotty, extremely nerdy and horribly swotty. My idea of a really good time was to travel across London on the tube to visit the British Museum."

https://youtu.be/3hRwnXmdRCo

That seems lacking.

You should probably put your thoughts in writing somewhere, for your reference and others.

It's kind of hard to judge the accuracy of a type without any clear reasoning.

[The Reality Denialist]

I started tol suspect Einstein bein ILI when I read that he was inspired by movements of a needle of a compass hence Ni autism with Te starts to raise its weird head. (Before you comment further on autism: it could be that with Fe instead of Te it is more like schizophrenia. Those two get usually mixed up.)

As for Joplin eccentric SEE must be considered.

[valhalla]

I started tol suspect Einstein bein ILI when I read that he was inspired by movements of a needle of a compass hence Ni autism starts to raise its weird head.

Weird I just bought a $200 SILVAN ranger compass for work and was youtubing how to find asimuths and bearings. Pretty straight forward stuff. So weird to see the topic of compasses brought up, but I guess its a pretty common thing to talk about.

[Ikite iru]

As for Joplin eccentric SEE must be considered.

I don't know. I watched two of her appearances on The Dick Cavett Show a couple of months ago and she didn't seem like an SEE at all. she's definitely not a sensing type. IEE or ILE are the only types that would make sense imo, but she didn't seem very emotional to me. many small things she said made me lean towards ILE, although I have to admit that at the end of the first clip it seems that she values Fi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmgSzbdL1So

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBO-Mh_sRrU

[The Reality Denialist]

I don't know. I watched two of her appearances on The Dick Cavett Show a couple of months ago and she didn't seem like an SEE at all. she's definitely not a sensing type. IEE or ILE are the only types that would make sense imo, but she didn't seem very emotional to me. many small things she said made me lean towards ILE, although I have to admit that at the end of the first clip it seems that she values Fi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmgSzbdL1So

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBO-Mh_sRrU

Gets stressed over cerebral people. That sort of mode is Ne at its core - being cerebral af. Ne is spiritual aggression. Lots of Se bases shit themselves when Ne bases talk but Ne bases shit themselves when Se bases act. Funny enough: supervises and conflictors respect that stuff.

But anyways... she was a rock star and used drugs so... I suppose it especially can blur lines between irrational super egos.

[silke]

Mrs Midwest - ESE-Si 2w1 so/sp

[Adam Strange]

Mrs Midwest - ESE-Si 2w1 so/sp

@silke, I agree that she is ESE. Her Si is overwhelming.

When my SLI ex-wife moved into the house I owned, she threw out all of my furniture and rugs, repainted and went shopping for new furniture.
When I started watching the video, I could not believe what I was seeing. The room she is in looks exactly like my living room, as decorated by the ex. The dining room looks exactly like my dining room (except mine has windows on the left wall, where she has pictures. But there are also pictures there). The sense you get from the furniture is exactly the same. The picture on the wall over the couch behind her looks identical to the one in my living room. We had large potted plants. There is a tastefully artistic lamp against that wall and a Stiffel lamp on the dark wood end table next to the couch, in the same position. There are split windows behind the camera which cast an illumination pattern on the wall behind her. It is unbelievable.

[Averroes]

SEI

[The Reality Denialist]

mb ILE

[The Reality Denialist]

more ILE's. This time: Let's make carbonated water out diamonds @$1650.

[Ikite iru]

John Locke - LII

[Ikite iru]

Clifford Stoll - ILE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZlhxaT_Ko

doc brown irl

[toska]

ESE-Fe: Victoria Pedretti

[The Reality Denialist]

ILE

[karas]

Greg Graffin ESE and Brett Gurewitz ILE



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Gurewitz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Graffin

[The Reality Denialist]

LII-ESE interaction

[Skepsis]

LII-ESE interaction

Bad boys and the girls that like them include some of the dumbest people our species has to offer.

[The Reality Denialist]

Bad boi LII.

[Ikite iru]

Bad boi LII.

I've looked a bit at the interview and his appearance. seems highly unlikely to me that he's an LII. I would say Se valuing.

Emmy Cho - ESE

[The Reality Denialist]

I've looked a bit at the interview and his appearance. seems highly unlikely to me that he's an LII. I would say Se valuing.

Emmy Cho - ESE

Must have some salmiakki in Turkish pepper form...

[WinnieW]

Emmy Cho - ESE

Alpha SF is right, but why ESE? I've seen a few videos from her and my impression is SEI for her.

[Ikite iru]

Alpha SF is right, but why ESE? I've seen a few videos from her and my impression is SEI for her.

hmm I think it's a good suggestion. I haven't really seen many of her videos and I mostly focused on the ones in which she talks about herself, like this one for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDcl8Jo2tYg

I personally got the impression that she's a normalising ESE, but SEI could make sense too. thanks for pointing it out.

[The Reality Denialist]

she lacks completely ESE turbulence.

[Ikite iru]

she lacks completely ESE turbulence.

I've send a link of her channel to an ILE friend this afternoon and he wrote me that he likes how she can describe sensations in such detail even when she thinks they’re really unpleasant. It’s fun to see how her Ne manifests itself. Lots of exploration but within a very narrow space (fun foods).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aentw8i0kx4

in this video she looks like she could assist an ILE in his underground laboratory.

[Dauphin]

Lee "Scratch" Perry: ILE

[karas]

Lee "Scratch" Perry: ILE

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...ientist-65011/

[Ikite iru]

Joana Ceddia - ILE

[karas]

Joana Ceddia - ILE

Socionics Type Profiles by V. Meged and A. Ovcharov
IEE (Huxley)
IEE, ENFp (Intuitive-Ethical Extravert): INSPIRER

Appearance: IEE's eyes are mobile and expressive. They reflect well his internal emotional state and its relation to others. Their expression is very variable. Gaze frequently is scattered, but it becomes penetrating and deep when it is focused on the interlocutor. Usually benevolent, merry and even coquettish, under the effect of the emotions it can become strained and angry. The mimicry of face corresponds to IEE's emotional state. Emotions of IEE are very variable; therefore his mimicry is diverse - from infectious laughter to strong indignation, from ecstasy to quiet pensiveness. Frequently his face has a removed, dreamy expression. Smile appears easily and naturally on face of IEE. Sometimes he will express encouragement even if at that moment he has to voice unpleasant things. Usually around people he acts as an optimist; thus if in poor spirits, his smile and expression of eyes will not coincide. Intonations of voice will also betray his internal state. Movements are gusty, impulsive, uninhibited. Pose is free and unconstrained, sometimes somewhat theatrical, especially if he feels that he is being watched. Gait a little loose or uncoordinated. He walks rapidly, with lightness, frequently bumping into obstacles. Manners of behavior is simple and natural, but it is a little demonstrative. He does not like touch and familiarity. Skillfully regulates distance in interactions.

4. Symbol l.gif Introverted Logic
IEEs tend to have a difficult time describing a concept or system in a manner in which the essential facts are all that is needed to understand or describe it. The IEE's focus in describing a concept or system is in how they themselves came to understand and see what they are describing. If an IEE is asked to describe or explain something, their natural tendency is to describe the pieces of the concept, system or idea that are related to the subject as a foundation before explaining the actual concept itself. The IEE will often describe details or aspects of a system that are unnecessary to the understanding of the system's properties, but the IEE views these details as essential functions of a sequential system (as opposed to describing the concept or system and only the concept or system as an independent entity). In other words, even if a detail is deemed outside of the IEE as extraneous, the IEE that is describing it will see it as a vital and significant part of a chain in order to paint the full, "proper" picture of the system the IEE wants to describe. An IEE will tend to start off explanations with a tremendous amount of detail, energy and patience and will move towards a more general explanation as they tire out (if they tire out). If something in the IEE's chain is broken or questioned, the description (in the IEE's mind) halts or falls apart.

When an IEE understands a logical concept or system, they are much better at describing anecdotal experiences with the concept or system that help to illustrate the concept or system. They would prefer to do this rather than describing the concept or system as described in the previous paragraph -- describe the essential facts of a concept or system.

IEEs will demonstrate inconsistent behavioral patterns to the objective, outside world. But to the IEE, these behavioral patterns are as a result of a relativist view of how they make their decisions. For example, an IEE might be steadfastly against going to a particular branch of a bank to deposit a check that is easily accessible and only 2 miles away, but is perfectly content going to a different branch of the same bank that is 25 miles away and requires a roundabout route to get there. To the outside world this would not make sense; why not just go to the branch that is easier to access that can handle the same function? But to the IEE, this does not matter. Something at the closer branch bothers the IEE enough to justify going to the further one. Maybe a particular person works there that the IEE wants to avoid, maybe one time the IEE did something embarrassing while at the closer branch and they are embarrassed to show their face again. Regardless of the reason, the IEE will justify circumstances to dictate the decisions they make in their behavioral patterns.

Wikisocion
Introverted Logic
The IEE is keenly aware of societal structures and affiliations that they belong to. These structures can be small entities such as "family" and large entities such as "political affiliation". As such, an IEE will naturally speculate about how these societal structures they belong to would interact if they mingled . With a propensity to be involved in a diverse number of interests, IEEs find themselves in a position where they would deem that members of certain societal structures would clash if they met. This will, at times, cause IEEs to hide their affiliations to parties that they feel might cause scrutiny or criticism of their affiliations. They would rather not be judged by others based on their affiliations. Also, if an IEE is cast into an "incorrect" category, this can cause deep wounds in the IEE especially if the IEE believes that the person doing the casting will not change their position about the IEE's affiliation, and as a result of that, believes it to be a negatively connoted statement of their own character.

Extraverted Logic
The IEE is keen on accumulating factual knowledge on subjects of personal interest and those that help him be more efficient and productive, but he's often unsure of his ability to find and select the correct information and is therefore attracted to people whom he sees as competent in that area and reassure him. He prizes efficiency, and berates himself secretly for his own inefficiency. He takes care to explain the justifications behind his actions. He loves accumulating and sharing trivia to make himself seem educated. IEEs believe firmly that knowledge should be shared freely. Asking an IEE to keep a secret is a burden on him. He can also be a little too trusting of information sources, because spreading falsehood is seen as a foreign and repulsive idea. IEEs love scientific and mathematic concepts, but practical application will soon bore them.

Socionics Type Descriptions by Filatova
Ti – Vulnerable function. Represents “working activity” and always supposes a definite organization. By this is meant punctuality, the function of responsibilities, instruction, regulation, the hierarchy of subordination, accountability… And these are all which serve to drive the IEE away – any weighty framework that dictates to her “to fulfill responsibilities.” Her creativity sees nothing as predetermined. Therefore it is especially important that she find work in which her gifts are revealed.

The nontrivial course of thoughts characteristic for many representatives of this psycho-type may lead them to realize themselves in scientific research work, where with ease they propose unexpected views on problems. However, they poorly respond to manual labor and logical analysis. Anything that requires they be thorough and systematic in their investigations will lead them to quickly tire. They prefer to hand these aspects of scientific work to others and instead assume the role of “generator of ideas.” However, when they fail to find creative work, in which something new can always be seen, their previously indefatigable inquisitiveness severely weakens.

After having tried 10 – 15 different specialties she may prove to be without anything, to have attained nothing in life, the entirety of her talent gone unrealized. After completing necessary preparations in a new project, if she sees something, which she finds more attractive, she may throw away everything. She prefers not to plan, but to improvise; it is dangerous to rely on her business qualities for she can get caught up in the moment.

She doesn’t respond well to templates and standards. IEE recognizes no formal subordination, feels no piety towards authorities; this may lead to trouble. The observations of authorities, especially if they, in her opinion, are wrong, are answered to sharply disregarding of who they are. It is therefore understandable that she is not at place in conditions subordinate to strict authority.



Socionics Type Descriptions by Weisband and Aushra
IEE - ENFp (Ne,Fi)
Thomas Henry Huxley - the famous English biologist and comparative anatomist.
Another pseudonym of this type: Tom Sawyer - a hero of Mark Twain's book.

1. An ardent enthusiast. He is a highly spiritual, artistic individual. The Psychologist quickly resolves any personal problems, always relying upon his talent for immediate improvisation instead of preparing the work in advance. He loves situations when new and exciting undertakings come up, when it is possible to demonstrate his own and others’ talents; when one can still expect the most unusual development of events.

2. A Don Juan. He gauges various virtues and talents in the people he meets and cannot hold back from reporting his observations to them with great enthusiasm. Often other people mistake his dramatic display of emotions for his real feelings, which earns him the reputation of a Don Juan. In fact, he is quite conservative in his feelings, attached to a close circle of his friends, whose opinions hold great weight for him and totally determine his mood, behavior, and knowledge. If he really is a playboy, he does not hide it.

3. Sensitive. His speech is often romantic, his smiles are enticing, but very often that’s as far as it goes. His motto is ‘emotional power over all and sexual freedom from all’.

4. "Modest". As a rule, he is not ambitious, because he can enjoy the circle of his friends and the anticipation of something interesting. Unlike The Politician, who likes to be an obvious ruler of the situation, he prefers to be its covert ruler. And his influence is directed first of all towards making other people reveal their skills and talents.

5. A scientist. He is sensitive about how others evaluate his mental skills. Often he strives to get a degree in higher learning, achieve scientific recognition and awards: this gives him the opportunity to work with a clear conscience (without having to doubt his qualifications). He is touchy when other people criticize ideas that he holds dear, or deny him and his friends’ talents. This is why he prefers the company of those who share his beliefs.

6. A person of mood. His mood determines everything: plans for the future, self-estimation, and ideas about the world. Ambitious plans can change to disappointment and sadness; but interesting news, praise, or an unexpected interesting opportunity immediately lifts his spirits. Boredom can even make him ill.

7. Altruistic. He is ready to help other people in solving their personal problems. The greatest pleasure for him is to find a way out from the situation that others consider hopeless. He is capable of demonstrating friendliness and benevolence to all. However, he saves his real efforts for about whom he is serious, and in this case he does much more than people ever expect from him and more than he himself promises.

[Ikite iru]

Lee Perry seems like an EIE to me.

[karas]

Lee Perry seems like an EIE to me.

Yeah probably ,Snoop Dogg also EIE

[karas]

Older XLE dont talk to much

http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...averted_Ethics
Fe as activating function in ILE (ENTp; Don Quixote) and SLE (ESTp; Zhukov)
For this person it is important that everyone is positively predisposed towards him. He does not like ambiguity in this matter and will strive to clarify the situation: "Lets get this straight - do you respect me or not?" Even small changes can bring about these clarification attempts: different facial expression, gaze, and so on. Often with age he becomes a good psychologists as it allows him to keep up his self-esteem. Fixed on the attitude of certain people and ignores the "public opinion". Very fond of social recognition: honor, glory, respect, diplomas, regalia, etc. For the sake of good relations can even work for free. Can offer to help out of sense of camaraderie. If there is someone in his surrounding who shows negative feelings towards him, it decreases his self-esteem. In active defense, he will try to win the good attitude of this person at any cost, in passive defense, on the contrary, may admit to behaving poorly. If positive relations do not exist, he can try to fix them at any price, or conversely, fall into avoidance upon realizing the impossibility of changing anything. Fond of flattery, is ready to support any opinion as well as come to compromise only to keep the positive predisposition towards himself. If he does not agree with someone, can conduct conversation very diplomatically. Communicating with people of this type one can feel internal tension associated with fear of evoking negative response. Often they will think ten times before saying anything, as if it is an important task. Move up the career ladder often due to their ability to be considerate of others.

[Ikite iru]

@karas: I'm open about her being an IEE, but I don't find your arguments helpful here, especially since the bold text passages can apply to ILE too. it would be better if you shortly explain your reasoning instead of posting these walls of text (you have Ti for a reason, just keep it short). I think the most obvious thing that you can observe is Ne, but it's now important to figure out if she sees hidden motivations in others, how people present themselves. I've already seen the videos of "type tips" but I can't really take Filatova's black and white pictures very seriously. I also barely focus on VI, because of my vulnerable Se.

[Rusal]

Regarding V.I. I see pictures of famous people paraded all over Socionic sites typed all things from Alpha to Delta. Are there any certain visual cues to spot a ILE or an LII?

[Adam Strange]

Regarding V.I. I see pictures of famous people paraded all over Socionic sites typed all things from Alpha to Delta. Are there any certain visual cues to spot a ILE or an LII?

I believe so, but I can’t explain what they are. It mostly comes from training.

I think a facial recognition program tied to a feedback loop of correct types could do VI, but no one has done this yet.

[Rusal]

I believe so, but I can’t explain what they are. It mostly comes from training.

I think a facial recognition program tied to a feedback loop of correct types could do VI, but no one has done this yet.

Oh, I surely see a trend in all these photos, but what I'm really intrigued by is if these correlate to reality 100%. Otherwise we might fall into stereotypes: are all lanky men with high-rooted nose, crazy hair and glasses LIEs, etc?

I find that I can recognize one or two types IRL, but the person has to be the posterchild for the type, his traits so bright that s/he can't be anything else. The problem for me is that most people fall in the middle to my eyes.
This a nice website based on Myers- Briggs that not only includes pictures but a long list of expressions and bodily movements a certain type might engage in: https://junglove.net/category/how-to-spot/

(in Socionics one can find only a few lines related to this. In English at least). A collective compendium of this sort would be nice.

[The Reality Denialist]

Joana could be ENF type but I have not seen her interaction so I leave it undecided. Anyway she describes actions not theoretics which makes me doubtful of Ti ego.

[Ikite iru]

one thing to keep in mind when it comes to VI is that there are 7,8 billion people on this planet, and most galleries contain maybe a couple of hundred examples, so it's very hard to apply it in real life.

[karas]

lol ,i just trying to show you the type smile they have .

[Dauphin]

ESE outdoorsman

[timber]

ESE outdoorsman

What's the push for ESE over LSE here? Cause I'd type LSE and could easily overlook the intensity of expression as not being Fe base.

The only thing that stands out as ESE over LSE is that disorganized shop. LSE tend to be organized and all tools have a home/place.