“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Both EII and IEI have in common 4D and , 3D and , 2D and , 1D and
The difference is the order of the functions.
Two types that shows similar strength of functions are often difficult for me to distinguish.
Yes, she looks a little bit like the younger twin sister from Olimpia in the video... but I don't type based on VI, as you might know.
...and now for something completely different...
Mehdi Sadaghdar, aka as Electroboom... if he isn't an alpha NT type... nobody is.
I posted this link elsewhere today so it might be helpful for new people too. You need to start using 3 letter codes or writing INFj so you don't confuse people coming from MBTI. Otherwise you are a heretic like Reinin .
If you are coming from MBTI please note that Socionics assigns j/p letters differently from the way MBTI does. Do not translate your MBTI type directly to Socionics type. If you want to find out your Socionics type, you can take socionics type tests, fill out a typing questionnaire form or make a freeform thread in What's My Type subforum, and read through the type discussions posted in socionics resources thread. Participating in forum discussions and chatbox provides more accurate feedback and type suggestions in typing threads. To read how Socionics j/p letter assignments differ from MBTI J/P visit the type names page.
http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...ter_Type_CodesThe functions that are called "judging" in MBTI and in the works of Carl Jung, Thinking and Feeling – are called Rational in Socionics.
The functions that are called "perceiving" in MBTI and Jung's writing, Intuition and Sensing – are known as Irrational in Socionics.
In Socionics 4-letter type names the last j/p letter is always determined by the nature of the first or leading function of the type.
- If the 1st function of the type holds a rational (judging) element T/F, then the last letter is 'j'.
- If the 1st function of the type holds an irrational (perceiving) element N/S, then the last letter is 'p'.
The last 'j' and 'p' letters of Socionics 4-letter type names constitute a Socionics dichotomy called Rationality-Irrationality.
- Types that have a rational (judging) aspect F or T as their leading function are called Rational types.
- Types that have an irrational (perceiving) aspect N or S as their leading one are called Irrational types.
For example, type ILI (Ni,Te) has the first function of Ni, which is a perceiving (irrational) element. Thus, in 4-letter type nomenclature this type is denoted as INTp, with the last letter 'p' denoting the perceiving element positioned in this type's first or leading function. The type INTp (ILI) is one of the irrational types in Socionics.
On example of type LII (Ti,Ne) that has the first function of Ti: since this type's first function is occupied by a judging (rational) element Ti, this type is denoted as INTj, with the last letter 'j' denoting the rational (judging) nature of its leading function. The type INTj (LII) is one of the rational types in Socionics.
The above forms a distinction between Socionics 4-letter codes and MBTI 4-letter codes. The J/P letter in MBTI is determined on basis of highest order extroverted function of the type, which for introverted types is not the same as the first function. For instance, the type that has Ni as its first function and Te as its second function in MBTI is denoted as INTJ, with a "J" as the last letter, since its highest order extroverted function is Te - a judging element - while this type is denoted as INTp in socionics, having a perceiving function (Ni) as the first one.
In summary:
- In Socionics, the last j/p letter is always determined by the first or leading function.
- In MBTI, the last J/P letter is always determined by the highest order extraverted function - which is not the same as the first function for introverted types.
[!] The above is one of the reasons why MBTI 4-letter codes cannot be converted letter-for-letter to Socionics 4-letter codes.
To highlight this difference, Socionics 4-letter type codes are written with a lower case "j" or "p" at the end to distinguish Socionics type names (e.g. INFj, ENTp) from MBTI type names that have J/P as a capital letter (e.g. ESFP, ISTJ) (although some socionists like Reinin initially used all capital letters).
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I watched this woman's video and I think she's either ESI-Fi or, less likely, EII-Fi.
Her Se seems suppressed from what I'm used to in ESI's, but it was there.
The only thing she shares with IEI's is low Te.
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tbqh I find her bordering on insufferable. I never bought her as IEI, but tbf she's using MBTI. Her little fetishizing of what she thinks is her own type and showing of her 'INFJ' boyfriend probably added to my cringe. I never understood the fixation on just finding Your own type to date, on a visceral level, I mean, obviously conceptually I can make sense of it.
I also don't buy that speech pacing necessarily determines type, but I think it's reasonable as an indication or at least a consideration
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Model A: ESI-Se -
DCNH: Dominant
Enneagram: 1w2, 2w1, 6w7
Instinctual Variant: Sx/So
ESI is a lot sharper, seems more aggressive (). EII tends to speak more matter-of-factly, lacks the dreamy quality of IEI.
Inert IEI is rarely going to be much more emotional or "in-your-face" emotive ethics than this girl. Of course, it also depends a whole lot on DCNH subtypes and various non-type factors.
On top of that, from her videos it appears that she has analyzed herself and close family and acquaintances in terms of socionics intertype relations theory, and found that the theoretical predictions match her observations. By itself this would be meaningless, but it does add another layer of confirmation on top of the IEI assessment from video.
As for the SEI girl, being irritated by activity partners is guaranteed to happen after a long enough time. In this case it seems that timescale was compressed. Of course any type can be irritating, even duals, under the right circumstances.
I think she could possibly be IEI. Y’all just don’t like her bangs and voice maybe. I could see ESI too though or similar types.
heresy and nonsense is to assign to rational types leading irrational functions
like to claim INFJ as IEI
J = judging/rational trait of the type (the both terms were synonims at Jung), identical to rational dichotomy in Socionics texts
MBTI is a heresy in this part as clearly and directly controverts to Jung without reasons (claims about leading Ni at INFJ). But until MBT followers use dichotomies to name the types and as main typing way - not only theoretically but practically too is to understand INFJ as EII. EII will be typed as INFJ in MBT with more probability. They even try to leave MBTI results in the most cases.
The Holy Te Reason will save you and others, who disagree with me in this
So don't use all caps then? You will cause less confusion, especially in people who get something like INFx (depending on the type of test they took). I am close on the j/p and sometimes close on t/f depending on what I am involved in. I think it is best to start from scratch when coming from MBTI and treat them as separate systems. People who don't take tests are just going to keep flipping the j/p unless they take the time to look deeper into it all.
Lots of people get INxx on those tests when they are younger or new. I mean people often type themselve more logical, more ethical, more intuitive or more sensing than they actually are. A lot of teens going through an emotional phase can come off as feelers to me but as they mature it is obvious it was a phase. Probably why so many people you wouldn't expect to get INFx on an MBTI tests get INFx. Also some pretty obvious extroverts are typing themselves introverts because they don't understand the questions and vice versa with introverts. I got ENFJ once in my teens because I went out with friends so I thought I was extroverted.
Personally I prefer Jung's descriptions even over socionics but that is just my preference and his writing style is appealing to me.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
The confusion is in wrong.
There is no wrong to name types by dichotomies (what MBT does), as Socionics has them the _same_.
The wrong is to use senseless names alike "INFj" or to claim about J/P changes between typed by MBT methods and by Socionics.
to argue with me is the confusion too
as I wrote my arguments not a single time and saw arguments of opponents during those many years
All that misleading about different in essence typologies between MBT and Socionics is a funny try of MBT followers to cover the truth that they are heretics which use evident and baseless contradiction to Jung and fool others for tens of years. Socionics is not interested in this misleading, but it is useful to say the truth that types are _the same_ as MBT is much more known.
Come to the Light side and do not help MBT heretics to mislead people.
"Путаница не в том.Нет ничего плохого в том, чтобы называть типы дихотомиями (то, что делает MBT), так как у соционики они есть _same_.
Неправильно использовать бессмысленные имена, подобные «INFj», или утверждать об изменениях J / P между типизированными методами MBT и соционикой.
спорить со мной тоже путаница
как я не раз писал свои аргументы и видел аргументы противников в течение тех многих лет
Все, что вводит в заблуждение относительно различных по сути типологий между MBT и соционикой, - это забавная попытка последователей MBT скрыть правду о том, что они еретики, которые используют очевидное и безосновательное противоречие с Юнгом и дурачат других в течение десятков лет. Соционика не заинтересована в этом вводящем в заблуждение, но полезно сказать правду о том, что типы - это то же самое, что MBT, гораздо более известный.
Переходите на Светлую сторону и не помогайте еретикам МБТ вводить людей в заблуждение."
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I've noticed the autotranslation, but this changes nothing anyway.
> Your phrasing is worse than your understanding of typology.
thanks. I do my best
if I'll be writing the large texts as books I'll may improve the language. until that glory times some suffering of readers is in the acceptable borders
I tend to agree with this based on her camera presence, but she's quite Fe in her comments, if you've followed her. However, this person seems to me more of a IEI in the way you describe than Pucokie.
Who are some EII or ESI examples for comparison?
Interestingly she types very high (see 5:55 in video) in Extroversion on Big 5, and says she typed as ENFJ in the past. It does seem odd to think she could be extroverted based solely on her camera presence. EIE-Ni?
Can you elaborate? I wouldn't be surprised if she was one, though.
Puckoie seems IEI or SEI. That past feel made me lean towards SEI. Not sure. Four IEI subtypes: mocker, admirer, reconciler and dreamer and not the first adjectives that come to my mind.
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Yeah! I think there’s a clear difference between how she is and Pucokie, and which one has more natural Fe. I lean towards Pucokie being EII or EIE (if she’s Fe, which I can still see, but a part of me thinks it’s forced). She seems more of a rational than irrational type. She’s confusing lol.
I haven’t watched enough videos to know, but I’d agree she’s not a 3.Ironically she self-types as a 3 now, but she seems like a clear 9w1 Sp/Sx (946/964) to me.
It is not uncommon that 9s mistype as 3, that is usually what they aspire to become.
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So I watched that video and a couple others. I have to admit... I fucked up. She is in no way an IEI. I hate when that happens lol.
Your instincts are correct, she is in fact EIE-Ni. I will hold back on saying more but making these types of mistakes is very frustrating for me.
What made you lean now more towards EIE and away from IEI? I think it would be easy to mistake her for an introvert, so don't be too hard on yourself, and I would still think that based on her camera presence, if not for her Big 5 score. 94% E!? Whoa. I might also say she doesn't seem Ti HA.
To be honest, she reminded me of an EIE that I met personally and was able to confirm their type. I suppressed this connection, perhaps because I just wanted her self-assessment to be true. Seeing that she scored 94% E on a Big 5 test was fairly eye-catching and forced me to do things again more carefully. I should have known better.
Anyway, let's this thread back on track! Here's an LII-Ti showing off some cooking skills
Anatoliy Krupnov - INTJ
The man in the middle, Julian Gollop, is LII i think. Other two i am unsure of, what do you think @Sol?
Russia is weird, close up shot of his chest cross->
https://youtu.be/WIhAeTtEAvM?t=1935
Patti Smith - ENTP
CalmingEscape ASMR (CalmingEscape) - ISFP
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Post Malone - IEI
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This outfit screams aesthetics, might be jarring, but its Fe and Si, things get a little loud.
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His face tattoo says "Always Tired". How much more of a smoking gun for ISFp do you need? He literally tattooed his introverted sensing onto his face...!
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
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Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
If you want Si think of a natural beauty nude in a hot bubble bath.
Not weird shit heh.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
Introverted sensing is a subjective exercise. What works for you might not work for another Si type. Also, I'm not asking you what you would do because that's not how sociotyping works. Not wanting to be fully naked is a function of introversion in general. Always tired has been a common theme for Si types on this forum for a long time.
Circumstantial, you have no idea how Post Malone works.
Given the nature of his rap star environment, his clothes seems supremely appropriate and carefully crafted to create the image he is going for. The Colour combos are also nicely complimntary with each other, the loud Neon palate is very current. He shows off his style and personality, yet its not flashy with diamonds, nor over stating his wealth or prestige. It says "I won't close my mouth right now for anything". Its consciously gimmicky. Its homemade, like a costume. Nothing in it is poor judgement at all. Its actually correct for the scene. Its Big Balla grunge pop mumble rap mystique as viewed through Alpha. I know maybe you are kinda older you are not connected to what's going on for the 18-23 crowed, but Post Malone's look is supremely current, even though its jarring to your older eyes. He is ISFp. Everything about his look says "this is how I like to comfortably be, damn what anyone else tells me to do".The loud clothes are Se quadra poor judgement on aesthetics.
Sometimes, yes, and sometimes no. There is no *one* aesthetic. That is the entire theme of introverted sensing. Its personal[ized], tailored for each person. Bjork is also SEI and her style is very eclectic.Si Fe aesthetics are Audrey Hepburn and Enya. Soft classic beauty.
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