Originally Posted by rmcnew
That okay?
I love dolphin.
I love dolphin.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
It is highly degrading, but then that forum seems dedicated to hating me and the16types.info; it is where all the misfits end up that do not seem to know how to be decent in this forum.
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Of course it's degrading. What isn't degrading? "I like big butts and I cannot lie" being used as a universal standard for male ESFps? You being a magnet for female ESFps? Oh mcnew, you're the judge of decency aren't you. You're so decent. It's alright for you to imply ESFps are whores, but it isn't alright for me to address this bullshit.
Disgusting.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
^_^
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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I think of sluts as people who sleep with people who are involved with others, just because they can.
I think of whores as people who sleep with other people for money or other benefits.
So I guess what an ESFp would be is...sexually open? Sexually free? Sensually impulsive? LoL....
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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wow. hasn't anyone met serious SEEs. like more serious compared to that "always talking about sex" stereotype.
INTp
sx/sp
In my own experience with people SLEs and SEEs have most often (more than any other type) been assumed sluts (men and women). This is not by my own judgment, but from overhearing other people talking of them or them talking about themselves. Furthermore SLEs and SEEs have also been the most likely to agree that they, indeed, are sluts, so much as to take pride in their sluttery and expect everyone else to do the same.
NOW, this does not mean that SLEs and SEEs are ALL sluts. I've gotten to know numerous people of these types throughout my life. I've also noticed a pattern that should be taken into consideration:
Extroverted Se types are probably the most physically impulsive types. Physical impulsivity relates to Se, to want to do something and to satisfy this by doing it. I think that it's been discussed here before that depressed types tend to compensate for their depression by seeking solace in their strongest function. Now consider the situation for a depressed Se-dominant type. The last thing they want is for ANYONE to see them as weak or vulnerable. In the modern day its pretty much become socially acceptable, at least among friends, to be a slut. Unhealthy Se-types, in my experience, fear two things above all: 1) loneliness 2) boredom For both men and women it serves as a distraction and gives them something amusing to talk to their friends about. The distraction is key because so long as they have plans involving other people they can avoid sitting down and seriously reflecting on their own loneliness. You'll notice that such people also go to bars a lot and drink (as in binge drink) at least once a week. The key is that the philandering and alcohol is purposefully combined in the most socially acceptable manner possible (drinking in a bar? what's wrong with that? sex? why not?). This is key because it allows them to seem strong to others. What's unhealthy here is that they tend to need to drink often just to have fun, and really, they're only sluts when they're drunk. Also they like to create "little crisis" melodramas which allow them to take control of the situation. These SLEs and SEEs are the ones that create and reinforce the stereotype because they're the most vocal.
There are SLEs and SEEs that don't fit this stereotype. My brother for example is a healthy and secure SEE. He's in university at the moment and reads a lot. I mean A LOT. He's doing better in university than I ever did and is taking philosophy and business (the latter of which is merely for practical reasons, he often scoffs at his business classes, and praises his philosophy ones, loves the Ni). If you start talking about intellectual things with him he actually listens and indeed probably knows even more than you (usually more than me anyways, and I read A LOT). That being said he's also always doing something when he's not reading. He goes camping, backpacking to different countries, skydiving, plays musical instruments etc. He doesn't boast about himself in any way and, really, doesn't need to. Loves intelligent women (avoids melodrama)
The difference between the unhealthy and healthy versions is in whether they seek to contrive their image, which is in turn tied to their self-worth (boasting, bragging, openly criticizing others, asserting their dominance).
That's the long answer as I've come to know it. Also if any unhealthy SLE or SEE reads this they will contrive a reason to falsify it because by accepting it they accept being seen as "weak", but my Ni sees through all
INFp-Ni
i've never really understood the looking at yourself thing. Isn't that self-indulgent.
It's more like....if they married or are with, or are sleeping with the person providing money, power, world showing.....while the person who is doing those things for them thinks that they are only with them out of love and loyalty...than its not exactly right. And would qualify them in the whore category.
I'm constantly looking at myself, I don't see this as a bad thing or self indulgent. It's the best way I can tell to improve. I've been called selfish and self-centered by talking about my self-analyzations too much however. Mainly by Alpha and Beta sorts.....so when I'm around the sort who don't mind or maybe even are amused by it....I tend to get pangs of self-consciousness because I'm expecting some kind of whip lash for talking so much about myself or so in depth about relationships and things I've picked up from them. This is detrimental to my awesomeness ability to not care what others think.....because I got too used to offending the people around me...now when I talk I expect it. This can be fixed though, over time.
>_<
i've gotten in soooooo much trouble >_<
all worth it though man.....mostly...lol....at least i have good stories right? i'd rather be done with it though dood.
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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Because I'm always talking about my analyzations...I dont really keep it to myself. And they see this as me trying to pull all attention towards myself instead of them getting any. So they think I'm just being selfish and don't care about anyone else but myself.O.O
In what way do you feel judged by Alphas and Betas?
I have never met anyone as self-analyzing as I am, and I wouldn't dream of judging people who evaluate themselves....
(However, I DO tend to see my SEE sister as an egoist, but for other reasons...)
Which isn't true...I just....talk a lot.....and don't realize when people don't want to hear it. o_o
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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You're taking Merky too seriously, and being kinda weak now. He was just testing with that comment.
It's exactly the opposite, not taking look in yourself most likely results in self-indulgence. Not the other way around, except maybe for a Si-type.
Self-indulgence is excessive or unrestrained gratification of one's own appetites, desires, or whims.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
Because concentrating on what your body wants results in self-indulgence.
The problem was more that you thinked/wrote in wrong terms, making what you said partially nonsense.I'm just having fun with the ideas he gave me, challenging myself to see things from an opposite point of view, my way isn't necessarily the best way for humanity. And that is pretty painful to admit.
Your thinking was meaningful in a sense, but what you was thinking about had to do with something else than self-indulgence. So everytime you said sentence with word self-indulgence in it, you were automatically wrong. And because of this, what results is that you go on wrong track in your thinking. It's like doing math calculations, but replacing a number with a wrong one.
The problem was your Te-PoLR
The underlying ideas that you had, were more meaningful.
Well this sort of brings more sense in what you said. But it applies only to you, and maybe also other people of your type then. But you don't have berate yourself about it, the mankind isn't going to collapse if you (or people in general) keep thinkingBut I really, really enjoy thinking more than most other things... And I should probably do more of other things. I tend to think a little too much at times.
I, for example don't enjoy thinking, or feel anything regarding to that activity. I just do that all the time, regardless if I like it or not. I wouldn't want to stop, because that would be self-indulgent and fruitless.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
You SHOULD have unrestrained gratification of your appetites, desires etc ...
What I think you're actually trying to say is that one should place limits upon themselves, so as to give other people a fair chance and not take too much more than your fair chair.
And Warlord, you're a fruit cake. Don't read into my behaviour.
Warlord, can you change your avatar? It is annoying.
To answer the main question: No, but I do think SEEs are more prone to have their whore side manifest itself in reality. When I think of SEEs being whores, it actually kind of comforts me, because it seems like they are so open and honest about their sexuality that... there are no lies to it. And I also think of how much a whore the everyday person would be if we could see inside their minds and find all the things they were thinking throughout the day; but with SEE I don't think this is prominent, because they just go ahead and do what they want and say what they want. So you at least know at all times where they stand. One thing I have noticed also, is they will not cheat on the people they are with
No, what I'm saying that people should concentrate doing more productice stuff, and be wiser. To find out what you really want. Rather than doing things based on a whim. Like do you really want to stay healthy and normal weight or a chocolate cake. Or do you want to be ass-raped by Bubba daily in prison, or avoid problems and leave that granny and her 10 bucks alone.
EDIT: Actually now that I read, what I had said, I wasn't really saying anything about that. I just gave the proper definition of self-indulgence.
Yes I willAnd Warlord, you're a fruit cake. Don't read into my behaviour.You often say stuff to probe how people will react to it. So you can find information about them that way.
Like for example someone might something to test if someone is going to just accept it. If they find out someone who will accept it easily. They know that they can plant other "realities" to the other person, that are more useful to the first person.
Last edited by Warlord; 11-15-2008 at 12:34 PM.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
apart from discussing the correctness of the question...
I cant speak for all SEE's, though I do tend to flirt with most of the guys I meet. Its happens naturally, I guess its just the easiest way for me to get their full attention and to see what kind of person they are. But it never goes beyond flirting - if I like the person, I make him my friend, if I don't, then I disappear.
at any rate, no one ever had guts to call me a whore
Last edited by Bright Morning Sun; 12-01-2008 at 07:15 AM.
the greatest praise a person can have is composed of two simple symbols
Hi, welcome to hell! I mean the forum...apart from discussing the correctness of the question...
I cant talk for all SEE's, though I do tend to flirt with most of the guys I meet. Its happens naturally, I guess its just the easiest way for me to get their full attention and to see what kind of person they are. But it never goes beyond flirting - if I like the person, I make him my friend, if I don't, then I disappear.
at any rate, no one ever had guts to calls me a whore
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
apart from discussing the correctness of the question...
I cant talk for all SEE's, though I do tend to flirt with most of the guys I meet. Its happens naturally, I guess its just the easiest way for me to get their full attention and to see what kind of person they are. But it never goes beyond flirting - if I like the person, I make him my friend, if I don't, then I disappear.
at any rate, no one ever had guts to calls me a whore
Thank you
the greatest praise a person can have is composed of two simple symbols
Don't write that in a form of a challengeat any rate, no one ever had guts to call me a whore
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
he-he
well, written so explicitly, the challenge ceases to have any meaning, doesn't it?
so calling me names after what i said would sound totally lame
love the critical thinking, though!
the greatest praise a person can have is composed of two simple symbols
SEX, GUNS, EXPLOSIONS, FAST CARS, SEX, ONOMATOPOEIA, SEX, BANG, BOOM, SEX, CARS, GUYS WHO LOOK SAD, SEX, BLAM, SEX!!!
On the whole, I always find them more faithful, though.
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
So childish.
I suppose this is another classic example of a LIE thinking that his audience understood that being 'childish' was the point...
Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson
Has anyone here ever read classical socionics texts?
Model X Will Save Us!
*randomwarelinkremoved
You say you want a revolution
Well you know
we all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out, in
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright
You say you got a real solution
Well you know
we'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're all doing what we can
If you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright
You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
we'd all love to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT
Model X Will Save Us!
*randomwarelinkremoved
please, define classical socionics texts
the greatest praise a person can have is composed of two simple symbols
The things which were written which founded socionics. No one really knows exactly what they aren't, but every now and then there's a dumbass who doesn't understand a modified aspect of socionics, so they use the term classical socionics. Augusta and Model A is all it means
Last edited by crazedrat; 12-02-2008 at 11:38 PM.
Just call her cute. And be done with it.he-he
well, written so explicitly, the challenge ceases to have any meaning, doesn't it?
so calling me names after what i said would sound totally lame
love the critical thinking, though!
what type are you mercutio
he-he, if you ever find Augusta's original texts - let me know right away!
you can't even buy those...
the greatest praise a person can have is composed of two simple symbols
you're russian?
i don't think anyone else here reads russian, so we really wouldn't know.
Kind of unusual for an SEE to be so into education.
usually they're kind of dumb
It must be a cultural thing ..
Last edited by crazedrat; 12-03-2008 at 01:50 AM.
I'm your type, CrazedRat.. come a little closer.
only an alpha type can be so pointlessly annoying
That's not true.
He's ESTp.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Yes, it is true, and plz fuck off.
That's no way to talk to a girl.
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