Enneagram type of Adolf ******

[machintruc]

Most socionists agree he's EIE. Some myersians type him INFJ. There's not so much hesitation to have here.

But he was enneatyped E4, E6 and E8. I rather think he's E2. Why ?

- Most EIE are E2.
- He seems to relate so much on E8 and E4, which both arrow to E2...
- Although he's known for his hateful politics, he liked his country and his compatriots.
- With his wife, he was known to be very tactful and affectionate.
- ****** was a skilled manipulator.
- ****** seemed "histrionic", "dramatic" in his speeches. This relates mostly to E2w3.
- I have a E2w3-EIE-INFJ aunt. Her communication style seems to be very correlated to ******'s.

Remember : we're talking types here. This is not a political debate.

[Ezra]

http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/fo...?TOPIC_ID=8516

[Expat]

I'm inclined to think 4w3.

It's necessary to look at him during his youth - he seemed always on the look for the "vision thing" in his life. Perhaps more than anti-semitism, or even lust for power, his consistent characteristic seemed to be, "I am meant for big things, I am someone important" - only, it's worth repeating, his initial aspiration was to be an artist, then, failing that, an architect. I think it's safe to speculate that, if ****** had had more artistic talent and had been accepted by the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna, he'd have become more like the "typical" 4w3 artist (if also an anti-semitic one) rather than go into politics, which he did after failing in arts and after being in WWI.

[Ezra]

Also, Germany's mistreation because of Versailles led to a lot of his hatred and anger, and probably much of his motivation for wishing to "restore Germany to its former glory".

[zenbrat]

I type him as a 6w5 that went from bad to worse.


Level 6: The Authoritarian Rebel

"At Level 6, it is very difficult for a Six to work for something. Instead, their energies are galvanized in being against people and things. They are the classic revolutionaries who, having overcome their enemies, find themselves uninterested in the work of setting up a more just system. Indeed, Sixes at this stage need enemies to discharge their anxieties. If there was no one to blame for their problems, their guilt and fears about themselves would escalate - a prospect intolerable to them at this Level. If there is no clearly defined enemy, overcompensating Sixes will will find one, settling on a scapegoat of some sort as the focus for their aggressions. One of the uglier aspects of Sixes at this stage is their need to have a person or group on whom they can release their pent-up anxieties. Their scapegoats are always assigned the basest motives so that Sixes will feel justified in dealing with them in whatever way satisfies their emotional needs." -- Personality Types (1996), p. 241.


The Six with a Five-Wing: "The Defender"

"Unhealthy persons of this subtype become increasingly paranoid and obsessed with maintaining their security, and may go to great lengths to protect their position. They are extremely needy, and may abuse alcohol or drugs as a way of dealing with anxiety and paranoid delusions, as well as of bolstering their inferiority feelings. The Five-wing adds elements of cynicism and nihilism to the fearful mentality of the unhealthy Six, resulting in growing isolation, desperation, and a capacity for sociopathic actions. Intense stress will likely lead to outbursts of rage and extremely destructive behavior accompanied by breaks with reality. Self-sabotaging, self-destructive actions bring about humiliations and punishment to atone for guilt, although the extent and nature of their self-destructiveness will be hidden from others because of their reclusive nature. There may be strong propensity for violence as well as sadomasochistic tendencies in sexual expression. Murder and suicide are both very real possibilities." -- Personality Types (1996), pp. 255-256

6's are often quite artistic; in many cases, more so than 4's. It takes the detachment of a 5 wing (or a strong 'stress point' line to 5, as may occur in type 8), to execute scores of humanity in such a methodical and detached manner.

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[Jarno]

Actually I've seen quite some documentary's of his life, and read the big psychological report of him that the americans made. It's can be downloaded somewhere on the internet. The report explains his drive for power which is not just a personality thing.

There are some things to consider.

Most people have this picture of him doing great speeches and such. But from the year 1939 he was taking speed pills, later on speed injections (amphetamine) This is an established fact as far as I know. This ofcourse alters his behaviour dramatically and makes typing difficult.

Then there are some minor facts, like that he has been kicked out of the swis army in his younger days, because of his terrible performance. He even got psychotic at that time. He was obsessed with his health and diseases throughout his life.

Most people see him as someone decisive. But there has been recorded that he changed his attack plan on a certain city 18 times.

I myself have no idea which type he could be. I don't even know any one of the dichotomy's for sure...

[Ave]

EDIT: Perhaps I should expound. 1W9s have a tendancy to embrace ideals that have little humanistic content(contrary to 1W2s). He was concerned with A PERFECT race, a PERFECT diet, a PERFECT lifestyle a PERFECT society etc. Hes been typed as 6 and 6W5 on some sites but Im not seeing that.

Any thoughts?

[Galen]

I'd always imagined him to be a 3 of some kind, although that's an unsubstantiated impression that I have no means of justifying atm. My experience with 1s is limited too so I can't say he's definitely one thing or the other. I would imagine, though, that if he was a 1 he would have been much less theatrical of an orator.

[Creepy-pokeball]

3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.

btw, Ryan Reynolds and the dude from Tron: Legacy, Garrett Hedlund, are ENFj 3's. Ryan Reynolds is a 3w4. I am unsure of Garrett's wing. Olivia Wilde, who is also in Tron: Legacy, is an ENTp 3. Her real name is Olivia Cockburn, and I only know this because she went to school with my ex, lol, who says Olivia is a raging bitch. Then again, I'm considering the source, lol.

and, fyi, ****** wasnt an ENFj, so kiss my ass.

[717495]

Yeah yeah I went to school with ****** he said his enneagram is 2.

[Creepy-pokeball]

Yeah yeah I went to school with ****** he said his enneagram is 2.

I'm sorry about your declining health and increasing age.

[Ave]

and, fyi, ****** wasnt an ENFj, so kiss my ass.

Euh, where did I say he was?

[Amber]

Enneagram cp 6 so/sp with strong 8 fix.

[Olly From Wally World]

Some type him 6. Naranjo and the Fauvres (tritype people) have him at sexual 4 which I can def see. Sx/So 468 or 461 also.

[Amber]

his exclusion tendencies arise more from SO motivations. Pure constructions grounded in a need for political power. Besides, he doesn't VI Sx/so by any means. Maybe some are turned on by his "rawest sexual charisma" though ...

I tend to see more 8 than 1 , but I did consider this gut fix. If it were theoretically possible (not that it shouldn't be ...), I would say combo of 1,8, 4, and 6 traits.

[Olly From Wally World]

his exclusion tendencies arise more from SO motivations. Pure constructions grounded in a need for political power. Besides, he doesn't VI Sx/so by any means. Maybe some are turned on by his "rawest sexual charisma" though ...

I tend to see more 8 than 1 , but I did consider this gut fix. If it were theoretically possible (not that it shouldn't be ...), I would say combo of 1,8, 4, and 6 traits.

Haha, idk about raw sexual charisma but doubt Naranjo and the Fauvres typed him that way (or would at least hope not). Those weren't my personal typings but I would agree with sx/so 468. He does seem contra-flow but fits sx/so flavor better than so/sp to me.

sx/so - excluding, eliminating, dividing, separating, contradicting, subverting, confronting, rebuffing, ridiculing, challenging, interrupting, reforming, rupturing
so/sp - utilizing, employing, implementing, expending, exercising, spending, capitalizing, expropriating

Sx 4 energetic qualities:
dramatizing, intensifying, creating, competing, taking, seizing, opposing, beating, seeking, provoking, hating, killing, torching, creating, destroying, annihilating
So 6 energetic qualities:
supporting, conforming, saluting, respecting, affirming, confirming, ensuring, retaining, assisting, upholding, following, obeying, complying, serving

Social 6 sounds more like his henchmen, haha. Actually, Naranjo does say just that for social 6:

Social: Duty. This subtype is about being protected, being in a warm environment, which is a different
strategy from Strength and Beauty. In being a Social Six, you need rules and you become too dependent
on rules. The world is your stage, the rules are universal. This subtype is sometimes called "dutiful," but
is really not very dutiful; it brings up so much rebellion and sometimes they pretend to be much more
dutiful than they are. It's only the driven quality that's experienced as a super-ego. It's authority based on
a system. “******’s henchmen.”

I admit that I sort of ignore sx last a bit so not too sure about so/sp aside from impressions but with sx/so, I sort of associate it with an attraction to radical politics/movements causes, having strong passion and surety in their views and it seems less 'for the greater good' to me in a less practical and more exclusive way, being a social/sexual myself. Like they have their views and are passionate about them, naturally excluding others in the process. Sort of denying the humanity of others or groups. Like how Malcolm X spoke of the white man (understandable during his time), sort of making them sound like devils; radical feminists against penis-in-vagina intercourse, demonizing men and saying all sex is rape, etc. Like you get a sense that they're really passionate about a cause or ideology, attracting others to it and bringing them apart sometimes. An impression that they believe we can't live together harmoniously unless we change the fundamental structure of something. Break up the US government to make an independent black nation, change the way women and men mate (or whatever some radical feminists believe?), get all the non-aryans and non-germans out of Germany, etc. Haha, of course sx/so isn't necessarily evil but those were the first things to come to mind for me. And other stacks can revolutionize but it still has a different vibe.

Idk how so/sp would be with their contra-flow, maybe more aristocratic or elitist (although that can fit sx 4)? The picture you posted in the so/sp thread sort of fit my impression but I do want a better sense of that stack. I could see why you'd say so/sp. Is it how they seem concerned with class? Caste systems come to mind. Not hard to see some so/sp flavoring for him but want to hear more.

[Amber]

Great day for talking his ennea btw ... I swear it was by total chance.

[Amber]

... bump ..?

is there anyone who considers ****** to be sx/so apart from some silly Beta NF who can barely distinguish their own mom from him ...? If yeah, it would be great to hear extra arguments... "excluding" doesn't seem enough.

@silke , @Galen ... @zap .. @strrrng ...

** Personally I think he's EIE Ecp 6 / E1 so/sp... a very unhealthy / distorted version , ofc.

[InvisibleJim]

Prolly ILE 3w4 sx/sp

[chriscorey]

Prolly ILE 3w4 sx/sp

I'm disappointed Jim ... A mental case with a truetype? Unlikely dear ... I did admire your little PTSD post. Do you have PTSD? Hardly correct though.. You see? We're dead inside, but we still recognize empathy, we're just extremely vengeful. Our sickness is the unconscious need for revenge. Carry on. Three people in my case.

[Galen]

I don't get how h8ler could have been sx-first. His whole deal was about constructing an ideal society ... what's Sx about that? So/Sp makes much more sense.

[Olly From Wally World]

I don't get how h8ler could have been sx-first. His whole deal was about constructing an ideal society ... what's Sx about that? So/Sp makes much more sense.

If ****** is sx/so 1, like I think now, that would fit as the sx 1s are the ones known as reformers and the most free 1s, as the countertype.

[Amber]

If ****** is sx/so 1, like I think now, that would fit as the sx 1s are the ones known as reformers and the most free 1s, as the countertype.

I wish you were able to shape an argument as strrrrng (your identical) does.

[Galen]

If ****** is sx/so 1, like I think now, that would fit as the sx 1s are the ones known as reformers and the most free 1s, as the countertype.

It's pretty bad form to type somebody solely based solely from a one-word caricature description.

I haven't read Mein Kampf and have no real interest in starting, but @strrrng at least makes sense.

[strrrng]

my (brief) opinion is that his charisma was far too overt, showy and volatile for sx-last to work. he succeeded at magnetizing while maintaining a certain emotional distance, but the kind of detachment entailed wasn't the dry, deadpan detachment of so/sp, he wasn't really mired in social formality, but rather kept things just formal enough, with a very miniscule amount of energy on the periphery. he also had the tense charge that you can see in someone like malcolm x... so/sp figures are more accessible in a quaintly human kind of way, sx/so figures are more there for you to see... and while there's a latent reserve/remove to both, with so/sp you get more of a sense that this is just the way it is, there's an interpersonal code that always has to be sustained, whereas with sx/so it's more that they can disperse their energy within certain bounds. this is what I think you get with ******, a kind of distantly mechanized charge, not a dollhouse-esque front/facade. actually his semi-feminine comportment is a good example: on one level it can seem like he's just going through the motions, but upon closer inspection it's clear that there's a more fundamental, centralized energy being poured into things, he's not JUST there for social appeal, there's a somewhat disruptive and divergent charge emanating from him that betrays a deeper desire to impact and change things. an so/sp would never really involve themselves like he did. you can see how charisma is counter-balanced by these types in someone like jfk, their presence just isn't as pronounced. lastly, the vibrant emotionality also manifests in mein kampf, which basically consists of repeated attempts to incite the reader. there are no bare socio-political appeals, everything is designed to elicit maximum effect, and despite its fallaciousness and absurdity, its energy is pretty prominent. it pretty clearly showcases his tendency to get emotionally carried away, which I can't really see an so/sp doing... he was just a bit too immersed in his theatrics, so/sp's are more like witting puppets: they play their part and go on with things, as the 'act' is what's prioritized... ****** over-emphasized his expression to the point of absurdity, and let things follow from there. there's just no groundedness or pragmatic balance in his spiel, he merges with the audience and reshapes the nature of being a figurehead by the extremity of his antics. so yeah, sx/so imo.

[Alomoes]

He's the same type of narcisist I am. Just saying, I'm a 5w6. 6w5 sounds like another narcisist I know.

[Kill4Me]

Type One

[Jerdle]

so/sp 1w9-3w4-6w5

[maniac]

Gut types are not affected that much at what comes at them in life. He was very affected. How he handled his life is very compliant-like. He had a bad childhood and took it out on another thing, he blamed it on other ethnical groups and built up his anger towards them which is not what caused him misery in the first place. I type him 6.

[Chae]

Gut types are not affected that much at what comes at them in life. He was very affected. How he handled his life is very compliant-like. He had a bad childhood and took it out on another thing, he blamed it on other ethnical groups and built up his anger towards them which is not what caused him misery in the first place. I type him 6.

4 and 1 in the tritype for the paranoid ideal-seeking (which resulted in ideology) component? At least the 1 has to be in there.

[suedehead]

6w5-4w3/3w4-1w2

[Chae]

6w5-4w3/3w4-1w2

Yesss. cp6w5-4w3-1w2

[yeves]

Hitler was really a 2. He was a loving, affectionate guy, who was exceptionally attentive to the needs of the German people and wanted to help everyone. Sometimes he got too much into other people's business, but he was only trying to be helpful and supportive. The working class people felt like they truly loved and needed him. This fed his 2 sense of pride. You can see him shaking hands, and extending his love to everyone around him in this photo. Click on constructive if you support Hilter's typing as a 2.

[Pallas]

@yeves

I appreciate someone trying to look at him objectively instead of "he's horrible so he must be a 6" but what you wrote just sounds like ****** praise.

Anyways, he has either tritype 4-5-8 or 4-6-8 Sx/So. Besides that I'd have to go read a lot of stuff about him. If you include integration and disintegration, and then sum up all the replies here (especially the well-reasoned ones), the most likely typing for him seems to be *gulp* 548...

[silke]

so/sp 8w7

he had that community welfare/'bug exterminar' focus of so/sp stacking

Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 1:58:52 PM
So/sp has a 'health of the community' (neurotic) focus. So/sp, with the group-welfare focus, becomes 'bug exterminator'. It's the classic witch hunt motif...because so/sp also has a pseudo-religious/cultural overtone.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ction-of-Notes




this video is representative of that energy, coincidentally written by another so/sp 8

[lavos]

I suspect he was E1. 1-6-4, probably so/sp

[nyessss]

[maniac]

so/sp 8w9, 846

[Chae]

I think you can't type Addi without typing Germany. We've always been 6 as hell over here ever since and he mirrored it perfectly, guess why it worked. Richard Rohr explains a bit about Germany as 6 somewhere in here, I don't remember at what point of the lecture:

[maniac]

6s are much more 'human', and have too much doubt and insecurity to transition a whole country so drastically. they'd be afraid of backlash

****** was cold, domineering, extremely power hungry (8) and with little doubt.

He has some emotional turbulence which alot of people seem to pick up on, and I think that's because he is 4 fix second.
846 is the most human and emotional of the 8s