Interdependency of functions: Why?

[Hugo]

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and are actually the same thing.

If you have a developed then your is automatically undeveloped. If your is developed then your is automatically undeveloped. They cannot be developed together. It's either one or the other.

As a result, a person with developed needs someone with developed .

A person with developed automatically suppresses in order for to actually develop and function.


Why does clash with or ?
and are two side of the same coin. is on a seperate coin altogether.

What are your thoughts?

[Maxwell Demon]

Pretty interesting. Why are certain functions on the same coin? Seems almost like a developmental decision-tree.

[tempus]

I made a post a while ago called "observation related to the hidden agenda" or something of that nature in which I linked a comparatively underdeveloped creative function to a strong hidden agenda and a comparatively underdeveloped base function to a strong dual-seeking function. I think that your ideas in this post are completely correct and that the strength of one function will grow or diminish as the strength of the function that supports it grows or diminishes.

[Park]

I don't think this is anything new. It's just an interpretation of something that has already been said hundreds of times. A good interpretation, nonetheless.

[Hugo]

Pretty interesting. Why are certain functions on the same coin? Seems almost like a developmental decision-tree.

Think of an on/off switch. There are not two separate buttons. There is only one switch for two functions - switching on and switching off.

[Hugo]

I made a post a while ago called "observation related to the hidden agenda" or something of that nature in which I linked a comparatively underdeveloped creative function to a strong hidden agenda and a comparatively underdeveloped base function to a strong dual-seeking function. I think that your ideas in this post are completely correct and that the strength of one function will grow or diminish as the strength of the function that supports it grows or diminishes.

Could you provide a link please. Thanks.

[Hugo]

I don't think this is anything new. It's just an interpretation of something that has already been said hundreds of times. A good interpretation, nonetheless.

Could you provide a link of where it has already been said please. Thanks.

[Park]

Could you provide a link of where it has already been said please. Thanks.

I was speaking in general terms. And I 'm feeling kinda lazy and unmotivated to look up for a specific evidince.

Your Fe sucks, by the way

[Angel von Himmel]

God, Hugo! I would hate the see the mug of the person's face you ripped off this time around! What a freak!

[Angel von Himmel]

Ohh yeah, and I agree with the general premise ... but I am not sure if I agree that a person who has both and will not be able to develop both, just one becomes the creative function and one becomes the hidden agenda. Both can be developed over time, but not at the same time.

That is sort of why I think I am confused about whether I am alogical type or an ethical type. I have tried to develope both my and my at diffrent periods in my life and I have been confused as to what goes where. So, I am stuck somewhere between ENTp,ENFj, or INFp.

[Gilly]

So how would you explain the functional analysis of the types? For example, an ENTP has NeTiFeSi. How would Fe be one of their active functions at all if what you say is true?

[Rocky]

In socionics, ENTP (ILE) is Ne-Ti-Se-Fi.

[Hugo]

Ohh yeah, and I agree with the general premise ... but I am not sure if I agree that a person who has both and will not be able to develop both, just one becomes the creative function and one becomes the hidden agenda. Both can be developed over time, but not at the same time.

As I said, it's like an on/off switch. If is on, is off. And vice versa.

That is sort of why I think I am confused about whether I am alogical type or an ethical type. I have tried to develope both my and my at diffrent periods in my life and I have been confused as to what goes where. So, I am stuck somewhere between ENTp,ENFj, or INFp.

This should sort problem out:
http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1789