Fictional Delta Characters In Movies and Literature

[Socionics Is A Cult]

From socionics.org

INFj\EII
Dr. Watson – the Sherlock Holmes stories by Arthur Conan Doyle
Robert Lohkamp – Three Comrades by Erich Remarque
Maria Bolkonskaya – War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
Prince Muishkin – The Idiot by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Sonya Marmeladov - Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky

ENFp\IEE
Julia Lambert – Theatre by W. Somerset Maugham
Siegfried Lenz - Three Comrades by Erich Remarque
Tom Sawyer – The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain

ISTp\SLI
Fermina Daza - Love in the Time of Cholera by G. G. Márquez
Otto Koster - Three Comrades by Erich Remarque
Maigret – the Maigret novels by Georges Simenon
Medea - Medea and Her Children by ? ( the name differs from what I can find using google)
Huckleberry Finn – The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain

ESTj\LSE
Mary Poppins – Mary Poppins by P. L. Travers
Nikolai Rostov War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
Sherlock Holmes – Sherlock Holmes stories by Arthur Conan Doyle
Pat Hollmann - Three Comrades by Erich Remarque
Stirlitz - Seventeen Moments of Spring by Yulian Semyonov.

[UDP]

"I never remember feeling tired by work, though idleness exhausts me completely."

"The temptation to form premature theories upon insufficient data is the bane of our profession."

What great Socionics responses!

[UDP]

"The temptation to form premature theories upon insufficient data is the bane of our profession."

Holmes would probably flip out if he saw how some go about "typing" in this forum.

[Phaedrus]

Holmes would probably flip out if he saw how some go about "typing" in this forum.

And correctly so.

[meatburger]

ESTj\LSE
Mary Poppins – Mary Poppins by P. L. Travers

Thanks Subby. That one struck me a little. Hmm shes like efficient but isn't she too playful or something for an LSE? No perhaps not shes a tough ol bitch and she seems quite serious. No ive just changed my mind perhaps she is. Stream of thought is wonderful isn't it? Chair. Pot plant

[implied]

Thanks Subby. That one struck me a little. Hmm shes like efficient but isn't she too playful or something for an LSE? No perhaps not shes a tough ol bitch and she seems quite serious. No ive just changed my mind perhaps she is. Stream of thought is wonderful isn't it? Chair. Pot plant

from what i remember about the movie, she was good @ providing structure to the kids' lives while maintaining a fair amount of discipline & conservatism. apparently in the books more than the disney movie she is described as "stern and vain" (as per the wikipedia article i just read on her.) she also denies having any supernatural powers when asked about them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Po...28character%29

it doesn't really seem like an entirely bad typing. i also read an INFj typing from some source (maybe socionics.org.)

[meatburger]

it doesn't really seem like an entirely bad typing. i also read an INFj typing from some source (maybe socionics.org.)

Yeah i was a youngling when i said that. I agree its a good typing for her.

[jessica129]

lol.

I've always seen Mary Poppins typed as ENFP.

[UDP]

It looks like she's about to expose her breasts to us all.

[meatburger]

It looks like she's about to expose her breasts to us all.

Mary's Rack would be Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious i bet.

If not let's just go fly a kite. Up to the highest height.



EDIT: See i cant see how an LSE would enjoy just flying a kite. More likely to like tell the kids exactly why its flying.

[UDP]

EDIT: See i cant see how an LSE would enjoy just flying a kite. More likely to like tell the kids exactly why its flying.

You're right. The only reason I'd want to fly a kite would be if there were pretty women at the beach, or if I was helping a kid or a pretty woman, etc. Other than that - its Frisbee time, baby

[UDP]

Hmmmm


Can anyone think of actual, good examples, of positive LSE figures, in literature or in videogames, or movies, or anything? I'm looking for some.

[implied]

Hmmmm


Can anyone think of actual, good examples, of positive LSE figures, in literature or in videogames, or movies, or anything? I'm looking for some.

mary poppins?

[munenori2]

I think an exemplary ESTj is the titular character in George Eliot's Adam Bede. His brother also seemed to be a pretty evident INFj. I didn't read far enough to ascertain a type on Adam's eventual love interest though.

Here is a link to where the original text can be found.

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/507

Eliot herself may have been a Delta NF (probably INFj, I think). I found the literary criticism of the book outlined in the wiki article to be rather interesting, as it described the main flaw as being an overly moralizing tone in the narration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Bede

[UDP]

I would personally enjoy making the kids run as fast as they could, via chasing them and scaring them, in order to make their kites take off into the sky.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I've added links to all the texts available online for free - you might not like reading them on a computer, but you could just read the brief extracts concerning the relevant character or see if you like the book, and then buy a physical copy.

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[munenori2]

I heartily agree on Prince Muishkin, at least in so far as the snippet (about ten pages or so) I just read, and with Dr. Watson.

I think that the Underground Man (from Dostoevsky's Notes From the Underground) could be INFj as well (though an incredibly dark one).

http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng...c/DosNote.html

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I heartily agree on Prince Muishkin, at least in so far as the snippet (about ten pages or so) I just read, and with Dr. Watson.

I think that the Underground Man (from Dostoevsky's Notes From the Underground) could be INFj as well (though an incredibly dark one).

http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng...c/DosNote.html

Misutii thought the main character of Notes from the Underground was an unhealthy INFp , so maybe the unhealthiness\darkness makes him difficult to type. Dostoevsky seems to favour INFj characters in his books, generally, which makes sense if it was his type - it wouldn't be very good logic to say that characters must therefore be a INFj though .

Prince Muishkin does indeed come across as a good example of an INFj.

[munenori2]

Misutii thought the main character of Notes from the Underground was an unhealthy INFp , so maybe the unhealthinessdarkness makes him difficult to type. Dostoevsky seems to favour INFj characters in his books, generally, which makes sense if it was his type - it wouldn't be very good logic to say that characters must therefore be a INFj though .

Prince Muishkin does indeed come across as a good example of an INFj.

That's hard to say. I could see it going either way. I identified somewhat with the Underground Man, but more so with Muishkin. I'd figured that being underground had maladapted him, but hmm? I could see how he could get where he was, but it all seemed extreme to me (like if I had made all sorts of decisions differently, yet the decisions faced were all the same). Maybe maybe maybe, eh?

[UDP]

I don't watch anime, but some people I know do. Does any of them show LSE characters?

[Joy]

Can't think of any off the top of my head. LSE's seem to be under represented in anime.

[UDP]

lol that's not so surprising seeing as how anime is pretty INFp

[eunice]

Hmmm, anime is INFp? That might explain why it seems to embody all my sugar spun faerie fantasies. I find myself attracted to anime, it's romantic to get caught up in, but afterwards I feel kind of empty inside because real life is never going to be like that. So I try not to read it too much, or else I just get depressed.

I know what you mean. I'm interested in something along the same line - Korean dramas. I love how the male character who is so full of passion finds it hard to express his love verbally to the girl he admires and choose to help her in the background instead, even though he seems to be misunderstood and always arguing with her on the surface. <333 However, the best part in these dramas is that there are always two male leading characters with great potential trying to fight for her and the girl didn't know who to choose because both of them really love her for who she is. <33333 Fighting for the chance to be with the girl he loves despite all adversaries is the hottest thing a guy can do for a girl. :wink:

[UDP]

Is it really?

*edited*

[Kill4Me]

the fat one in jeans is LSE.



torch: ese 9w1 so/sx
lisa: sle 8w7 so/sx
susanna: iei 4w3 sx/sp
daisy: eii 3w4 sx/sp



"I need an ambulance."
"Make it a hearst."

[Kill4Me]

Lucy Van Pelt....LSE-Te

[Kill4Me]

Baldwin's character....such a LSE-Te 7w8 sp/sx (basically, a gordon ramsay)

[Kill4Me]

Tom Ripley...IEE-Fi

[whodat]

Tom Ripley...IEE-Fi

[Kill4Me]

Don Logan...LSE-Si 8w7 sx/sp

[munenori2]

I was thinking fictional, but anything that seems to fit delta is welcome.

TV show:
The Rifleman


LSE maybe? Only saw one episode but the theme seemed decidely delta. The protagonist throws out Te left and right while stressing Ne and Fi ideals.

Movies:
All Roads Lead Home

Less so the characters as the movie itself (though I thought the grandfather was ExTj and there are likely other deltas in the cast). I'll warn you, it is not a good movie if you look into it. The only notable thing besides that it seemed delta was the fact that the movie was filmed within about 50 miles of where I live. It also won some kind of film award, but I suspect foul play.




Anyway, I'll add more if I think of anything.

[Park]

Chad Lowe in "Fielder's Choice". LSE (or possibly SLI), with a strong focus on Delta values throughout the movie, particularly in Philips behavior and motives.

[Linalee]

Bud White and Lynn Bracken in L.A. Confidential.

Not sure, but they are very aloof and at the same time very intense.
I was wondering hard for Bud's type but Lynn is clearly xNFx, i would say... INFJ
She displays little Fe despite her "job".
She shows deep Ne insight (she knows what's going to happen if X goes like this or like that, is a good strategist).
She holds on strong values : no lies ever, concern for others, a need to return to her home despite all the glorious dreams of hollywood.
She's very private and does not trust easily, except for Bud.
She does not have lavish material tastes : it's only for her business, her chambers remain simple and modest with a souvenir from her home.
Only Bud has access to her sanctuary. She feels as a hole with him. No need for words, she knows what's going on inside the man.

As for the mentioned Bud... makes me wonder. If someone's watched the movie, a little help would be appreciated

For what i've observed, he is equally low on Fe, even when he uses physical violence.
He is concerned by his intellectual abilities (wants to demonstrate proper investigations/deductions).
He's annoyed by political manipulation. Has a thing against Exley because his behaviour does not seem trustworthy (low Ne ?)
He stubbornly punishes violent husbands.
He's more concerned by getting the right thing done than doing it in a proper way. It's very efficient, with no waste of time/energy (is that Si or Se ???)
He doesn't care too much about wealth (he happily gives any money he finds to the widow, or to the poor beaten woman).
He doesn't try to convince others. They are either cooperative, or reluctant. If they are reluctant, he does not use persuasion but basic violence.

They may be aloof LSE with confident EII it's a beautiful couple anyway.



That's an exercise i like !
If my little analyses annoy you, please feel free to say so, i don't want to impose myself. It's just that i've seen none of the movie/TV shows you mention, as i'm french, so it's frustrating. I love watching delta movies actually

[munenori2]

I'd be more inclined to put Bud as some kind of Se ego, possibly gamma > beta? Lynn is at least conceivably EII. It's been forever and a day since I've seen the movie but I can't think of anything that is startlingly against that type except for the calculated fling with Exxel, though I forget the reason behind that.

[Simon Ssmall]

I'd be more inclined to put Bud as some kind of Se ego, possibly gamma > beta? Lynn is at least conceivably EII. It's been forever and a day since I've seen the movie but I can't think of anything that is startlingly against that type except for the calculated fling with Exxel, though I forget the reason behind that.

To set up Bud, so he would go and kill Exxel. Photos have been done with her and Exxel and later Bud discovered those photos "by an accident".

[Linalee]

they were manipulated by the Capt.
Lynn states clearly she was persuaded to help Bud. She wouldn't have done it otherwise.
First time i saw the movie, i wasn't particurlaly fan of this couple, but i've watched it last sunday and this time, something in her demeanor reminded me of myself ! So i've paid very close attention.
As for Bud, i can't type him. All i can say is i appreciate his no fuss behaviour and his strong values.

i think of another movie right now, but maybe i'll be wrong again... it's "Dead Poets Society". it's about finding your own path Neil Perry sounds ENFP to me.

[Park]

I'd be more inclined to put Bud as some kind of Se ego, possibly gamma > beta?

I'd be inclined to put almost every role Crow does as some kind of Se ego, or at least Se valuing.

[munenori2]

I'd be inclined to put almost every role Crow does as some kind of Se ego, or at least Se valuing.

lol, so true.

[JRiddy]

Nothing says Delta + America like John Wayne. In any role.

[Beautiful sky]

A wonderful display of individual values and qualities in each type comes shining through in "LA Confidential" starring Russell Crow, LSE and Guy Pierce, EII. They were starred almost exactly according to their socitype in this amazing movie that displays duality so well. When they merge to work together, they become a team that uses, as I've said many times before about this particular dual pair, an unspoken intuitive (with a small case i.n.) language. A relationship where both the characters grow to apprehend qualities of the other and in such they learn to experience the gray shades they never knew before.

I love this film