How do subtypes affect intertype relationships?

[pezzonovante]

What affect does your subtype have on your 5th and 6th functions?


For instance I am an ENTJ Intuitive Subtype. So that means out of




My is weaker than usual while my is stronger.


But how does this affect the , the things that I want from others? I theorize that having stronger slightly negates the need for , which leads to the need for having a priority. This fits with my desire for related things (money, power) being stronger than other ENTJs.

Thus my perfect dual would be an ISFJ sensory subtype, according to this reasoning. Hmmmmm.

Discuss.

[FDG]

perfect dual ISFJ sensory subtype

Good luck with that

[Joy]

I'm not so sure about that subtype dualization theory. I'm E(N)Tj and I'm with an I(S)Fj, and it seems that the only issues we ever have happen when I'm not getting the Fi I want or he's not getting the Te he wants. We're weak on the Te/Fi axis. Issues that arise as a result are quickly and easily resolved, but they are there nonetheless.

[Raver]

Interesting that Pezzonovante just posted this topic, because I had been thinking about this for quite a while, I think XoX might has posted a similar topic in the past if I remember correctly. However, my viewpoint is that both subtype relations are positive, it's just that they both offer different alternative paths to dualization?

I'm not so sure about that subtype dualization theory. I'm E(N)Tj and I'm with an I(S)Fj, and it seems that the only issues we ever have happen when I'm not getting the Fi I want or he's not getting the Te he wants. We're weak on the Te/Fi axis. Issues that arise as a result are quickly and easily resolved, but they are there nonetheless.

Have you considered that you might actually an activity relation, since your not getting eachother's functions completely fulfilled? Anyways, your description sounds a lot like an ENTJ-ESFP couple I know.

[Raver]

Interesting that Pezzonovante just posted this topic, because I had been thinking about this for quite a while, I think XoX might have posted a similar topic in the past if I remember correctly. However, my viewpoint is that both subtype relations are positive, it's just that they both offer different alternative paths to dualization?

I'm not so sure about that subtype dualization theory. I'm E(N)Tj and I'm with an I(S)Fj, and it seems that the only issues we ever have happen when I'm not getting the Fi I want or he's not getting the Te he wants. We're weak on the Te/Fi axis. Issues that arise as a result are quickly and easily resolved, but they are there nonetheless.

Have you considered the possibility that you might actually be experiencing an activity relation, since your not getting eachother's functions completely fulfilled? Anyways, your description sounds a lot like an ENTJ-ESFP couple I know.

[Joy]

I've considered that we could be activity partners, but it would be INTp/ISFj. Peter is definitely IJ > EP (and yes, I know he doesn't portray that here... and no, I don't expect you to believe me ).

[Joy]

(I have a very hard time seeing ESFp as my dual though... )

[Raver]

I've considered that we could be activity partners, but it be INTp/ISFj. Peter is definitely IJ > EP (and yes, I know he doesn't portray that here... and no, I don't expect you to believe me ).

Yes, that's also possible. He does give off a rather EP vibe in the forum, but I guess in real life he could possibly be IJ as you say.

[Joy]

He's pretty much just pure Se here, if you understand the tone of his posts.

[FDG]

He's pretty much just pure Se here, if you understand the tone of his posts.

It does seem a lot like Ti to me, coupled with Se.

[Joy]

Se > Fi = Ti

Socionics is a very "Ti" theory, so he's a lot more Ti here than he is most of the time.

[Raver]

Joy, Does this description fit your relationship?:

Do you constantly fight over the disagreements over a particular issue that has little to do with your relationship, while ending quickly and then resurfacing again? Sometimes making you feel like the relationship is going to end. However, in the next day the relationship is better than it ever was and amazing overall. A good way to describe this relationship is an erratic heart beat constantly increasing and decreasing and rarely remaining stable.

[FDG]

Se > Fi = Ti

Socionics is a very "Ti" theory, so he's a lot more Ti here than he is most of the time.

I'm not really talking about when he speaks about the theory, but mostly at when he makes a point about something.

Anyway, Traveler...DJ is reallyyy not ESFp

[Joy]

Joy, Does this description fit your relationship?:

Do you constantly fight over the disagreements over a particular issue that has little to do with your relationship, while ending quickly and then resurfacing again? Sometimes making you feel like the relationship is going to end. However, in the next day the relationship is better than it ever was and amazing overall. A good way to describe this relationship is an erratic heart beat constantly increasing and decreasing and rarely remaining stable.

Not at all. The relationship is extremely stable. We don't really ever have disagreements, per say... more like "issues" that are the result of a lack of communication. As soon as the communication gap is bridged, the issue is totally gone. These issues are few and far between.

[Raver]

Joy, Does this description fit your relationship?:

Do you constantly fight over the disagreements over a particular issue that has little to do with your relationship, while ending quickly and then resurfacing again? Sometimes making you feel like the relationship is going to end. However, in the next day the relationship is better than it ever was and amazing overall. A good way to describe this relationship is an erratic heart beat constantly increasing and decreasing and rarely remaining stable.

Not at all. The relationship is extremely stable. We don't really ever have disagreements, per say... more like "issues" that are the result of a lack of communication. As soon as the communication gap is bridged, the issue is totally gone. These issues are few and far between.

Alright, the description was the way I perceived an activity relation to be. Take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt, since I'm merely speculating and throwing ideas around.

[Joy]

If he's not ISFj, INTp would be the next possibility... but it seems unlikely. His mom read the descriptions and picked ISFj (without any coercion lol). He's not "timid" or laid back enough to be an INTp (not sure how to word that better... may need to describe this "INTp timidness" elsewhere if it's disputed, and the laid back thing is obviously a matter of perception because some people see INTps as bitching about everything all the time), and the most apparent thing about his type is the IJ temperament. And Ne makes the most sense for his PoLR. He uses Fe a lot less than most ISFjs probably do, but it's not a sensitive spot. He can certainly take Fe criticism in stride.

[Raver]

If he's not ISFj, INTp would be the next possibility... but it seems unlikely. His mom read the descriptions and picked ISFj (without any coercion lol). He's not "timid" or laid back enough to be an INTp (not sure how to word that better... may need to describe this "INTp timidness" elsewhere if it's disputed, and the laid back thing is obviously a matter of perception because some people see INTps as bitching about everything all the time), and the most apparent thing about his type is the IJ temperament. And Ne makes the most sense for his PoLR. He uses Fe a lot less than most ISFjs probably do, but it's not a sensitive spot. He can certainly take Fe criticism in stride.

Yeah that is another possibility, but you've seemed to have discounted it, so who knows. Let's discuss this via PM in order to prevent this thread from getting derailed or start a new topic.

[Joy]

sounds good

[discourse]

It actually sounds as a joyfull relationship between the Illusionairys.

[FDG]

It actually sounds as a joyfull relationship between the Illusionairys.

Lol. I love hearing your opinions on types and realtionships (seriously though)

[pezzonovante]

Joy, Does this description fit your relationship?:

Do you constantly fight over the disagreements over a particular issue that has little to do with your relationship, while ending quickly and then resurfacing again? Sometimes making you feel like the relationship is going to end. However, in the next day the relationship is better than it ever was and amazing overall. A good way to describe this relationship is an erratic heart beat constantly increasing and decreasing and rarely remaining stable.

I think this is a very good description of the relationship between activity partners.

A series of "real life" descriptions of romantic relationships between the different intertype relations would be great if everyone could contribute their own experiences.

[Joy]

Joy, Does this description fit your relationship?:

Do you constantly fight over the disagreements over a particular issue that has little to do with your relationship, while ending quickly and then resurfacing again? Sometimes making you feel like the relationship is going to end. However, in the next day the relationship is better than it ever was and amazing overall. A good way to describe this relationship is an erratic heart beat constantly increasing and decreasing and rarely remaining stable.

I think this is a very good description of the relationship between activity partners.

A series of "real life" descriptions of romantic relationships between the different intertype relations would be great if everyone could contribute their own experiences.

start a thread

[Joy]

Is it just me or do these descriptions make it sound like, for example, a sensory subtype ISTj would match up better with an ethical subtype ENFj, and a logical ISTj with an intuitive ENFj?