Discusion of Ne PoLR in ISFjs and ISTjs

[isptn]

All told this sounds most like an SLI. "Not worrying", "no regrets", "acceptance of reality" is sort of the antithesis of Ne Vulnerable. Ne Vulnerable means you dislike unknown factors and try to avoid them by controlling your environment or sticking to what you know. The last paragraph sounds like valued Te with low Ne. Other Te ego types might also fit.

I'm not sure I agree. Somehow I just don't see Ne PoLR types worrying about all the things that could have been or could be and wanting to consider multiple options. Meanwhile, SLIs do seem to worry and catastrophize sometimes, imagining things that could go wrong. They also seem interested in imagining what's out there in the world. The thing about wondering where all the cars on the freeway are going actually came from an SLI. She seems intrigued by all the possibilities and complexities, which she doesn't actually suggest herself but seems to wonder or ask for. My response to that was to say it sounded like it would be information overload.

I don't know. At this point I'm sure I'm a Sensor, so I must be either Si or Se. I have not been finding Si at all relatable. But I don't know about Se either. But how you defined Ne Vulnerable doesn't sound different from what I described, especially sticking to what I know. I don't try to connect the dots or make guesses, I just stick with what I actually know.

[Faith]

What you are describing in this and the other thread is pretty unlikely to be SLI.

You are probably confusing an intuitive (Ne) and possibly ethical type, with SLI. IEE or EII Ne maybe.

[isptn]

What you are describing in this and the other thread is pretty unlikely SLIs.

You are probably confusing and intuitive (Ne) possibly ethical type, with SLI. IEE or EII Ne maybe.

Could be. The person I considered SLI could as easily be EII, I mostly see Si and Fi. Why do you see her as unlikely to be SLI?

[Faith]

Could be. The person I considered SLI could as easily be EII, I mostly see Si and Fi. Why do you see her as unlikely to be SLI?

Ne PoLR and Ne Seeking are both 1DNe. Which means that are in equal conditions in the level of use or performance.

The only difference between both is that in one, Ne is valued and for the other is unvalued.

So, Ne Seeking or Suggestive , as the words say, is stimulant, exciting and needed.
While the PoLR causes pretty much the opposite reaction, its uninteresting, confusing and conflicting.

That said, this:

Meanwhile, SLIs do seem to worry and catastrophize sometimes, imagining things that could go wrong. They also seem interested in imagining what's out there in the world. The thing about wondering where all the cars on the freeway are going actually came from an SLI. She seems intrigued by all the possibilities and complexities,


I could see a Fi and Ne doing the imagining others ppls lives part, while the worries and fears are not characteristic of Si and Te and Ne suggestive doesn't manifest in any of the ways described in the paragraph.

Also an IEE told me once that he do exactly the same:wondering where all the cars on the freeway are going.

What you described as food pickiness is not a characteristic of 4DSi either, since 4D is mastery. Being too peculiar in matters is often more present in 1D functions (even PoLR) since 1D means being experienced just in first person, without being able to adapt or use the function appropriately according situations considering the rest of external elements.

Plus, most sensor types, especially Sensing lead are much more experiential, which is what you were describing in the other thread about the girl having ideas about stuff without any previous experience to support her decisions.

[at sirac son of sirac]

Ne PoLR and Ne Seeking are both 1DNe. Which means that are in equal conditions in the level of use or performance.

The only difference between both is that in one, Ne is valued and for the other is unvalued.

So, Ne Seeking or Suggestive , as the words say, is stimulant, exciting and needed.
While the PoLR causes pretty much the opposite reaction, its uninteresting, confusing and conflicting.

That said, this:

Meanwhile, SLIs do seem to worry and catastrophize sometimes, imagining things that could go wrong. They also seem interested in imagining what's out there in the world. The thing about wondering where all the cars on the freeway are going actually came from an SLI. She seems intrigued by all the possibilities and complexities,


I could see a Fi and Ne doing the imagining others ppls lives part, while the worries and fears are not characteristic of Si and Te and Ne suggestive doesn't manifest in any of the ways described in the paragraph.

Also an IEE told me once that he do exactly the same:wondering where all the cars on the freeway are going.

What you described as food pickiness is not a characteristic of 4DSi either, since 4D is mastery. Being too peculiar in matters is often more present in 1D functions (even PoLR) since 1D means being experienced just in first person, without being able to adapt or use the function appropriately according situations considering the rest of external elements.

Plus, most sensor types, especially Sensing lead are much more experiential, which is what you were describing in the other thread about the girl having ideas about stuff without any previous experience to support her decisions.

I often thought, when I read 'post your favorite food stuff' as though it's an Si thing, it's really a bunch of N types fussing and failing over what makes a good dinner.

Wrong thread a bit - just when you mentioned about the mastery thing.

Si hidden agenda types have all sorts of weird concerns, worrying about the digestion system etc when they eat, of if they'll eat, it's almost a case for hypochondria ... not that i'm slapping conditions on PoLRs, just that it can become obsessive.

Just like an SLI can become obsessive about forming bonds and being close to people, which I think is where all the SLI and pet obsession comes from, pets won't reject you - but then, they're not as interesting as people, but well, who knows haha.

[isptn]

Ne PoLR and Ne Seeking are both 1DNe. Which means that are in equal conditions in the level of use or performance.

The only difference between both is that in one, Ne is valued and for the other is unvalued.

So, Ne Seeking or Suggestive , as the words say, is stimulant, exciting and needed.
While the PoLR causes pretty much the opposite reaction, its uninteresting, confusing and conflicting.

That said, this:

Meanwhile, SLIs do seem to worry and catastrophize sometimes, imagining things that could go wrong. They also seem interested in imagining what's out there in the world. The thing about wondering where all the cars on the freeway are going actually came from an SLI. She seems intrigued by all the possibilities and complexities,


I could see a Fi and Ne doing the imagining others ppls lives part, while the worries and fears are not characteristic of Si and Te and Ne suggestive doesn't manifest in any of the ways described in the paragraph.

Also an IEE told me once that he do exactly the same:wondering where all the cars on the freeway are going.

What you described as food pickiness is not a characteristic of 4DSi either, since 4D is mastery. Being too peculiar in matters is often more present in 1D functions (even PoLR) since 1D means being experienced just in first person, without being able to adapt or use the function appropriately according situations considering the rest of external elements.

Plus, most sensor types, especially Sensing lead are much more experiential, which is what you were describing in the other thread about the girl having ideas about stuff without any previous experience to support her decisions.

Catastrophizing is characteristic of inferior Ne according to MBTI, which should roughly correspond to suggestive Ne, ideally (though not always, and not all will agree). The person I described fits the concept of Jung's introverted sensation type, MBTI's Si, as well as socionics' concept of Si, so I consider her an Si type in all systems.

As I explained, she makes no indication that she actually imagines where the cars could be going. She simply said that she sometimes wonders, which seems to indicate a vague interest and awe in Ne but does not indicate that it's a strength. Meanwhile, she seems to be always aware of subtle sensations and takes action to adjust those sensations, including taking care of others' physical comfort. It does seem like mastery to me. She is so aware of sensations and past experiences and impressions of sensations that it seems she can easily imagine what a new, never experienced sensation might be like for her, from the impressions alone. As I explained in the other thread, I don't know if she would actually be considered a picky eater, it's just that her relation to sensations was so alien to me that I don't know what to make of it. She is focused on avoiding discomfort, whereas I tend to ignore or hardly notice it and will pretty much take whatever I get in terms of physical experience.

She expresses Fi in a manner similar to her Ne, with a kind of awe or bafflement, and as if asking for input. For instance, she seems to be baffled about people's behaviors and wonders what must be going on that could make a person that way. She does not suggest ideas of her own regarding people's feelings and motivations, but poses it almost as a question. She gives the impression of someone who is vaguely interested in people and has difficulty understanding them, but tries or wants to.

[Exodus]

I'm not sure I agree. Somehow I just don't see Ne PoLR types worrying about all the things that could have been or could be and wanting to consider multiple options. Meanwhile, SLIs do seem to worry and catastrophize sometimes, imagining things that could go wrong. They also seem interested in imagining what's out there in the world. The thing about wondering where all the cars on the freeway are going actually came from an SLI. She seems intrigued by all the possibilities and complexities, which she doesn't actually suggest herself but seems to wonder or ask for. My response to that was to say it sounded like it would be information overload.

I don't know. At this point I'm sure I'm a Sensor, so I must be either Si or Se. I have not been finding Si at all relatable. But I don't know about Se either. But how you defined Ne Vulnerable doesn't sound different from what I described, especially sticking to what I know. I don't try to connect the dots or make guesses, I just stick with what I actually know.

I'm not sure where you're getting these ideas from or what definitions you're using. Ne vulnerable types are able to *consider* different possibilities but they see them in a generally negative light - they prefer to "stay on track" using Ni, which limits possibilities. And Ni is of course about perceiving danger or negative consequences.

Ne is about novelty, change, and new possibilities, so like @Syrup said, Ne valuing types are very much open to new possibilities and don't see them as negative like Ne vulnerable types do. The suggestive function is something you have a generally positive attitude towards.

"Sticking with what you know" and not making guesses sounds like low or cautious Ne, whether valued or not.

[isptn]

I'm not sure where you're getting these ideas from or what definitions you're using. Ne vulnerable types are able to *consider* different possibilities but they see them in a generally negative light - they prefer to "stay on track" using Ni, which limits possibilities. And Ni is of course about perceiving danger or negative consequences.

Ne is about novelty, change, and new possibilities, so like @Syrup said, Ne valuing types are very much open to new possibilities and don't see them as negative like Ne vulnerable types do. The suggestive function is something you have a generally positive attitude towards.

"Sticking with what you know" and not making guesses sounds like low or cautious Ne, whether valued or not.

I'm kind of confused by your post because your first sentence implies you disagree with what I wrote, but the rest suggests you agree.