classic.t was all just stupid stuff
and thats what gets me the most about it
its just small stupid nearly preventable things that dont happen to normal people but always happen to me
Duality strikes again.
SEE in need of ILI
classic.t was all just stupid stuff
and thats what gets me the most about it
its just small stupid nearly preventable things that dont happen to normal people but always happen to me
Duality strikes again.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
hahaha omggg whose quote is that? thats the story of my life. thanks courage!
ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp
'Tis from a conversation with an ESFp friend.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
INTp-ESFp duality: how are ILIs and SEEs expressions of each other?
I read in another thread somewhere that duals express each other's "hidden side" openly. As in, what one is on the inside, the other is on the outside.
In order to get a firmer grip on the ILI and SEE concepts, I'd like to approach things from this angle.
I have a good idea, but I want input...
So... how are SEE and ILI expressions of each other?
And this, too, shall pass away.
ILI
i can definitely relate to this. i would say that my inner ILI is expressed in how i'll have many aquaintances but very few friends. it's almost as if people need to prove that they are worth my resources and emotional investment before i can have a deeper relationship them. it is also expressed in how i love learning about things and evaluating things even though most people would not know this side of me unless they were one of the chosen few to get beyond the SEE facade. also, our somewhat erratic and over the top behavior in social interactions is in defiance of theOriginally Posted by FlameReborn
that the ILI also refuses to abide by in social interactions. i also have deep spiritual beliefs and other weird intuitive beliefs that intrigue me and i constantly use
to confirm or disprove these beliefs by comparing and evaluating them to experiences.
i would say that an ILI's inner SEE is expressed in craving experience and relationships, but not knowing how to approach this (where i come in haha) with their disregard for
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6w7 sx/so/sp
hah, i love your posts.
6w5 sx
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The problem with this relationship, is SEE ignores ILI. I have had it happen to me about 4 times now. I say something to them, ...they do not respond. Liveandletlive, can you explain this?
I'm just speculating, but this is also my own experience sometimes...
since you know socionics, your approach to SEE may be unnatural. Like, what you say is, you took the initiative to talk to them. to much initiative could be seen as wrong motives / uptight. Both things they hate.
When you are more natural, you would just daydream on, without paying to much attention to them. And that's when they suddenly become interested in you!
as I said, just speculating, but it might be true.
yes, I also think that was happening. Usually they are so cemented into their social circles they don't have any need to stray from them. Then, you cannot approach them.. because you ruin the duality if you do that. They will not approach you because they are too busy with their friends. Putting it into their hands means letting them be stupid and pass the opportunity by. I think I may have to learn some kind of brain washing technique to land a SEE
awwwww noooo! we just need to be the ones to hunt u down haha so don't worry when the time is right, im sure a SEE will find u and make you their own
regarding what u said before, i've never ignored an ILI, in fact i never ignore anyone haha. the only time i guess u can say that i've ignored an ILI is when they give me advice or a warning of what is to come and i am too wrapped up in it all to take it. but other than that it's hard for me to relate to that.
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6w7 sx/so/sp
I am thinking the best way for ILI to land SEE is to get to know all of their friends in front of them but ignore the SEE. But even then, the SEE may perceive the ILI as being unnatural.. really, it would be unnatural for me to talk at all to any of the idiots SEE hangs around. Maybe just stand in the background and ask for further clarification of things the other people say. But even then, you're like the weirdo standing there listening to other people talk. The other option is to go sit alone and watch what is happening. I do that usually, but SEE is too ..SEE... to come over. If they do come over and talk, the talk is fun but brief, and SEE goes off and finds something else going on. So we got along for thirty seconds, and that was that. Brainwashing technique shows more promise.. Like the venusian arts, or mystery method, or something like that
INTp + ESFp duality = wtf
I wonder if Aushra Augusta was high on meth while coming up with this duality bullshit. A good romantic relationship is more than having "clicking functions". Did she think that 'effectiveness of relationship = quality of romanticism'?
"The SEE finds it hard to be content with what he has." -
"Confrontational behavior does not phase the SEE, whether his reaction is to respond with confrontation or hostility himself, creating an outwards appearance of indifference and unimpressiveness, or trying to calm down the offender/make them feel guilty." -
"It fills the SEE with joy to be have many different people competing for his attention and affection." -
"An SEE views material objects as well as people in terms of how they can be used to achieve his goals." -
"The SEE can easily create sentiments of closeness and kinship, only to completely change these sentiments down the road. An SEE could be hanging out with a person (A) and act like the person's best friend, yet talk with another friend (B) and show sentiments of extreme distaste towards person 'A' in order to gain acceptance with 'B'." -
"He appreciates those who are good at thinking about things to do, new ways to do things, and especially a unique activities to draw people together. However, the SEE does not hold these abilities in high regard in and of themselves, but only to the degree to which these ideas and strategies can be implemented to serve his EGO block." -
"SEE can become very upset when people are late for unclear reasons and behave in other independent and unpredictable ways. This gives them the feeling of hanging in the air and general uncertainty about the future. Being action oriented people, this is difficult to bear." -
"SEE doesn't like having to weight out pros and cons or make the "right" or "proper" decision." -
"School life seethes around them, they know how and love to be in the center of attention." -
1. The player who is always busy conquering people of the opposite sex and bragging of his or her social and sexual prowess.
2. The aggressive trainer who likes to whip people into shape physically or socially and make them be more effective in society.
Seriously, I only think I would be able to have a superficial friendship with this type. I'd much rather have an extroverted intuitive feeler as a SO. I think I'd go mental if I had to live with my polar opposite.
Ah, you rather think and assume than test it out in real life? hmm they assumed the earth was flat and centre of the universe...
I had the same assumptions like you do. And you are right, on paper your dual is nothing you really like, rather someone you would like to avoid.
But there are a lot of things happening mentally when you start interacting with your dual. And that's really great. In contrary to your conflictor of which you constantly think, I never say those things what a bullshit. With your dual you think, I never say those things, why didn't I think of that before or, hey what a pleasant surprise.
Next to that you constantly feel comfortable, completely accepted, and even protected, because your dual is someone who is opposite of you, but in a constructive supplementive way. As opposed to your conflictor who just works against you.
As you see it's difficult and vague to explain, but everyone here who has experienced a dual, will tell you it's good. While everyone who reads and assumes, will tell you it's bad.
So it's time to meet a dual '-)
Yeah, that description doesn't sound so hot, but SEEs IRL are awesome. (Provided of course that they're a well-rounded mature person, but that goes without saying for any type.)
IEE
Duality doesn't necessarily click from the beginning, although it can. It takes time, and the relation is one that gets better with time, not one that wavers with little direction. My best friend is my quasi-identical, although he is of an opposing quadra, I still feel rather comfortable around him. We've been best friends for 14 years, however I can't say there has been much growth. I can say with certainty that duality just keeps growing, I've seen it from experience.
According to the intros to socionics I've read, duality is usually quite tense and difficult in the beginning, more so than f.i. activity or companion.
Greetings, ragnar
ILI knowledge-seeker
Would a SEE be willing to discuss things such as politics, science and philosophy? Listen to my ramblings and not dismiss them and boring and just say "yeah whatever. Let's go hang out with Tyrell and Queen"? The ideal SO would be one who engages my mind - and the other way around. I don't want to be dependent on a 3rd. party to entertain her.
I want an SO whose interests at home are more than watching the fat idiot Oprah, soap operas, cooking dinner and arranging for the next damned birthday - she should read and tell me about the new stuff she has discovered by reading. She should be above mindless banter such as "oh my god, their car is so nice" and "Christina got a boob-job. I wonder how much it costed. She's a slut"
Why are SEEs awesome? The descriptions make them sound like boring, un-imaginative people (regarding things that matter. Coming up with entertainment for social events has nothing to do with imagination), whose only joy in life is being with other people.
What are the greatest differences between an ESFp and an ENFp?
ur not INTp.
No they really don't give a flying fuck about those things especially in the way you're describing them.
Sounds like you're Ti/Fe valuing.
The end is nigh
Yes and your status is God, and God is an Alpha, so there is obviously something fishy going on.
Enlighten me.
The SEEs that you likely see, out in public, most often, unfortunately tend to be the opposite of the cream of the crop (crap of the flop or what have you), which is probably why they're so visible, because they're never out of sight somewhere reading or learning anything of value. That being said there are definitely SEEs that can and will articulately discuss things like politics, science and philosophy... but if they were too easy to find the bloody supply and demand curve would sue you.
Sounds like you're INTj.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
1."Confrontational behavior does not phase the SEE, whether his reaction is to respond with confrontation or hostility himself, creating an outwards appearance of indifference and unimpressiveness, or trying to calm down the offender/make them feel guilty." -
2."It fills the SEE with joy to be have many different people competing for his attention and affection." -
3."An SEE views material objects as well as people in terms of how they can be used to achieve his goals." -
4."The SEE can easily create sentiments of closeness and kinship, only to completely change these sentiments down the road. An SEE could be hanging out with a person (A) and act like the person's best friend, yet talk with another friend (B) and show sentiments of extreme distaste towards person 'A' in order to gain acceptance with 'B'." -
1.No, with restrictions
2.No
3.No
1.NOOOO
There is much improvement to bring to this description.
My ILI friend (who is not into socionics) was very critical too when I linked it to him. He knew no SEE at that time, and now, he doesn't want to know any. Fortunately, he has no clue as how to type them !
I have 2 SEE friends. They are fine people.
Strange Dual Experience - SEE/ILI
Removed, thanks for the feedback
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It doesn't have to be socionics related. I mean it's common that girls want to see if the guy has initiative when on a date, it's just a social, gender role thing. I was on a date with an ILE once and she tested me all the time on ideas, "so what do you suggest that we do", and ILEs aren't exactly lacking in this area. It's usually just a stage that you have to get over. When you get to know each other more things usually change.
Maybe she wanted to go back to the mountains to bang.
I'm not really seeing how this is strange either?
It sounds like whenever you offered your preferences (live music, fajitas) she took initiative to make it happen. That sounds like SEE-ILI duality to me. She respects your opinion. That's why SEEs like ILIs, they want their insight and knowledge to guide their Se initiative. Trying to pry it out of you is the opposite of passive. Also, because duality strengthens overtime, you probably won't feel the need to have a wealth of ideas once you two spend more time together, she gets to know you, and you start feeling more comfortable offering your opinions (whether they are brilliant or not).
Yeah, that sounds SEE-ILI to me. if she likes you, she will agree to hang out with you again. LOL someone putting their face 2inches from your own isnt type related..sounds gross.
Pictures of ILI SEE
Post pictures of ILI SEE duals.
I'm curious how the relationship looks from the outside. I was thinking the iron giant might be an example, with Hogarth as the ILI and the Iron Giant as the SEE? Maybe the other way around?
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pic? Hell, I'll do you one better:
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do you think the younger guy is SEE?
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