INTp-ESFp duality discussion and examples (ILI-SEE)

[crazedrat]

Stop being so DANGED desperate, man. Find a woman you like, don't depend so much on Socionics. Seriously?

No, no. Never mind. oops, sorry. Carry on.

SEE is the only type I remain attracted to over an extended period of time. I have tried getting along with people, I just hate them. Quite literally... the only type I think I do not show hatred toward is ESFp-Se. Even ESFp-Fi I usually end up in some kind of conflict with. I've had the closest thing to a dual relationship, an activity relationship... it was shity, and I hated it. Although it was with an ISFj-Fi.. not the better of the two subtypes. ISFj-Se may still be an option.
Other then that, no... I don't think I want to fall into a delusional/insane state of mind which most people call love, and end up five years later trapped in a dead and silent existance struggling to hold up something which is crumbling all around me. I would rather live alone forever. It's no coincidence 60% of marriages end in divorce now days. I think it's a safe bet to say 30% stay together but are miserable to some degree. These are marriages we're talking... regular relationships... they are a waste of time if they are not in your dual.
Maybe what you are telling me is this: learn to deal with some type of hell.
I don't want hell in my life, I'm not going to give up and give in to it. I would rather live life in a sensory deprivation chamber

[FDG]

SEE is the only type I remain attracted to over an extended period of time. I have tried getting along with people, I just hate them. Quite literally... the only type I think I do not show hatred toward is ESFp-Se. Even ESFp-Fi I usually end up in some kind of conflict with. I've had the closest thing to a dual relationship, an activity relationship... it was shity, and I hated it. Although it was with an ISFj-Fi.. not the better of the two subtypes. ISFj-Se may still be an option.
Other then that, no... I don't think I want to fall into a delusional/insane state of mind which most people call love, and end up five years later trapped in a dead and silent existance struggling to hold up something which is crumbling all around me. I would rather live alone forever. It's no coincidence 60% of marriages end in divorce now days. I think it's a safe bet to say 30% stay together but are miserable to some degree. These are marriages we're talking... regular relationships... they are a waste of time if they are not in your dual.
Maybe what you are telling me is this: learn to deal with some type of hell.
I don't want hell in my life, I'm not going to give up and give in to it. I would rather live life in a sensory deprivation chamber

lol @ you

[FlameReborn]

Crazedrat, go outside and get some sun. Talk to your buddies if you have them. If you'd be content to live without women, do so until one comes within reach.

Marriages don't end because people have love. They end because people are just stupid in general. You and me included. Now pull your head out of your ass, stop whining, and give yourelf a break.

It's counter-intuitive, but in thi regard, I find the best way is to focus elsewhere.

[Jarno]

SEE is the only type I remain attracted to over an extended period of time. I have tried getting along with people, I just hate them. Quite literally... the only type I think I do not show hatred toward is ESFp-Se. Even ESFp-Fi I usually end up in some kind of conflict with. I've had the closest thing to a dual relationship, an activity relationship... it was shity, and I hated it. Although it was with an ISFj-Fi.. not the better of the two subtypes. ISFj-Se may still be an option.
Other then that, no... I don't think I want to fall into a delusional/insane state of mind which most people call love, and end up five years later trapped in a dead and silent existance struggling to hold up something which is crumbling all around me. I would rather live alone forever. It's no coincidence 60% of marriages end in divorce now days. I think it's a safe bet to say 30% stay together but are miserable to some degree. These are marriages we're talking... regular relationships... they are a waste of time if they are not in your dual.
Maybe what you are telling me is this: learn to deal with some type of hell.
I don't want hell in my life, I'm not going to give up and give in to it. I would rather live life in a sensory deprivation chamber

To be honest, I can relate and agree to everything Crazedrat has written in this post.

And yes, it's probably a sad thing, but it's also sincere. I think there are people who want to comfort themselves with the idea that any relationship is fun and can work out. Well, the reality is different and I don't like to deceive myself. Illusions are short term solutions.

[FlameReborn]

Whatever floats your boat. :sigh: I can't say i haven't been there.

But what makes your pessimissm more real than others' hope? I could argue this point on a historical/statistical basis, but I'm not in tthe mood. Go drown yourself in your delusional darkness. Sink into the black, yawning pit you think is reality. I'll go do the same, only ill eat pie too.

[Quirk Satellite Div.]

There are other aspects in human relationships besides just 'love'. If you can't find 'love', surely you could find other benefits. This projected pessimism doesn't help one's health.

[crazedrat]

there is no benefit besides love, which I can see, which I can't provide for myself... without the need of an "other" ...

As for the other guy, well... you will eat your pie, but then later you will have terrible diahrrea.. explosive, painful diahrrea which lasts for quite a while.. I will simply starve to death. Not a very good solution either way really, ....except to brainwash an SEE-Se, which is my master plan. SEE does not give you diahrrea

[FlameReborn]

That depends. They do have the capacity to spike your food with Ducolax.

Lookin' forward to the diarrhea. And starving yourself could be a good way to get into that anorexia clinic.

[Jarno]

Whatever floats your boat. :sigh: I can't say i haven't been there.

But what makes your pessimissm more real than others' hope? I could argue this point on a historical/statistical basis, but I'm not in tthe mood. Go drown yourself in your delusional darkness. Sink into the black, yawning pit you think is reality. I'll go do the same, only ill eat pie too.

To clarify: The pessimissm comes from my own experience, just like crazedrat has had relationships which weren't really the thing he was looking for. I probably got this pessimistic after I experienced duality. Every other relationship becomes pretty boring then, compared to duality.

Oke enough said for today, I'm returning to my black pit.

[FlameReborn]

I like you guys.

[nanashi]

I know this thread is old as archaea, but I was reading through it, identified with the 'crazed' search for an ESFP and only an ESFP, and had insight occur to me that seemed to answer my problem of flirting with my ESFP crush who is always looking around in the spotlight at his ESFX friends.

Insight: i have found myself possessing an unusual natural flirting behavior, and I think it works well in attracting ESFps--I allow myself to be observed (I know that sounds weird) in my heavily perception/new information focussing.i.e. I do not stare at the fascinating ESFP.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...popcornso0.gif
I show that I am confident and inquisitive. Instead of feeling a pull to look to the left and ignoring it because of polar and discomfort around people, I look where my attention was attracted. i see something--some object or interaction.It impresses a thought on my brain.Etc. I consider it. i allow the flow of interesting data to attract my attention. I am treating the world like I treat books when I am studying them.

I just realized, I think this is allowing one's and the (to ESFPs) attractive fact that one is a perceiver first and foremost to be observed. We come off as so harsh and nerdy and socially awkward/unsociable sometimes that I think it's harder to see an 'in' with someone who's learnt to deal with the world (like imaginative Walter Mitty) by putting on the General uniform of .

[Jarno]

I know this thread is old as archaea, but I was reading through it, identified with the 'crazed' search for an ESFP and only an ESFP, and had insight occur to me that seemed to answer my problem of flirting with my ESFP crush who is always looking around in the spotlight at his ESFX friends.

Insight: i have found myself possessing an unusual natural flirting behavior, and I think it works well in attracting ESFps--I allow myself to be observed (I know that sounds weird) in my heavily perception/new information focussing.i.e. I do not stare at the fascinating ESFP.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...popcornso0.gif
I show that I am confident and inquisitive. Instead of feeling a pull to look to the left and ignoring it because of polar and discomfort around people, I look where my attention was attracted. i see something--some object or interaction.It impresses a thought on my brain.Etc. I consider it. i allow the flow of interesting data to attract my attention. I am treating the world like I treat books when I am studying them.

I just realized, I think this is allowing one's and the (to ESFPs) attractive fact that one is a perceiver first and foremost to be observed. We come off as so harsh and nerdy and socially awkward/unsociable sometimes that I think it's harder to see an 'in' with someone who's learnt to deal with the world (like imaginative Walter Mitty) by putting on the General uniform of .

Yes SEE is drawn to autistic looking people :-)

Often it is said, you don't find an SEE, the SEE finds you. And I think it's true in my experience...

[Pa3s]

I don't want hell in my life, I'm not going to give up and give in to it. I would rather live life in a sensory deprivation chamber

Haha, I thought about that too when I was pissed of everything around me. Must be a nice place to chill... :wink:

Well, the reality is different and I don't like to deceive myself. Illusions are short term solutions.

That's totally true.