Identical Relations: INFp & INFp

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

What dual gives you has little to do with psychological compatibility and has EVERYTHING to do with PHYSICAL compatibility. I don't mean sex per se or attraction -- but covering up weaknesses in the environment for the self-conscious introvert. (and directing the energy of the extrovert better)

Technically speaking, identical is always the best match *psychologically.* Or even mirror.

But duals give you 'the best of both worlds', they understand you, don't want to change you -- just like the Identical (like truly attracts like), yet the more extroverted/outgoing partner handles the physical environment 'real world' part that the introverted/subjective partner just can't handle. This has nothing to do with how much you LIKE a person, but has everything to do with what you NEED.

If you just want a type of relationship that is always private, where you just look cutsey in each other's eyes, then there's nothing wrong with Identical. They can sex you up, and treat you well privately. If you are already balanced and improved yourself enough, it's probably more ideal. But the two people try to function together objectivally, something goes wrong. Identicals are good for romance, Duals partnerships. Dual marriages get recognized easier by society because the objective world can see how the other person covers up your weaknesses.

Duals are better not because of Twu Wuv or that you innately like them better, it's a concrete, scientific, non-romantic thing.

If you live in a society that tries to totally get rid of environmental hazards, then you see Identicals finding love - like what happens in homoerotic college institutions (gay until college graduation for a lot of people), where people are given a safe haven just to think. But your dual is irrespecable in the messy natural world filled with obstacles. Gay culture is filled with aesthetics and peaceful worlds because of this. Some people say only minds can connect, others bodies. Concept of duality seems to try and include both.

It all depends on where you are and what you want etc.

[redbaron]

What dual gives you has little to do with psychological compatibility and has EVERYTHING to do with PHYSICAL compatibility. I don't mean sex per se or attraction -- but covering up weaknesses in the environment for the self-conscious introvert. (and directing the energy of the extrovert better)

Technically speaking, identical is always the best match *psychologically.* Or even mirror.

But duals give you 'the best of both worlds', they understand you, don't want to change you -- just like the Identical (like truly attracts like), yet the more extroverted/outgoing partner handles the physical environment 'real world' part that the introverted/subjective partner just can't handle. This has nothing to do with how much you LIKE a person, but has everything to do with what you NEED.

If you just want a type of relationship that is always private, where you just look cutsey in each other's eyes, then there's nothing wrong with Identical. They can sex you up, and treat you well privately. If you are already balanced and improved yourself enough, it's probably more ideal. But the two people try to function together objectivally, something goes wrong. Identicals are good for romance, Duals partnerships. Dual marriages get recognized easier by society because the objective world can see how the other person covers up your weaknesses.

Duals are better not because of Twu Wuv or that you innately like them better, it's a concrete, scientific, non-romantic thing.

If you live in a society that tries to totally get rid of environmental hazards, then you see Identicals finding love - like what happens in homoerotic college institutions (gay until college graduation for a lot of people), where people are given a safe haven just to think. But your dual is irrespecable in the messy natural world filled with obstacles. Gay culture is filled with aesthetics and peaceful worlds because of this. Some people say only minds can connect, others bodies. Concept of duality seems to try and include both.

It all depends on where you are and what you want etc.

yeah I agree with this.

[DirectorAbbie]

I've noticed IEIs tend to be attracted to one another. I don't see how I could be attracted to an LSE, but maybe that's because the only two male LSEs I know are too old and too young.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I don't intentionally 'Seek' SE so it's a bit misleading. It's not something I want or I go soughting after, it's more of a need. Obviously, we want people just like us - societies that are psychologically like-minded do the best.

I already talked a lot about this before, but it seems people with poorer intelligence are still under the delusion that duals work the best for internal reasons. Or a nonsense that 'identicals are clashing' You will only clash with your identical if you try to attempt a project where objective understanding is needed (well if you are both IEIs) But if you hate/dislike your identical, you are only hating yourself. If you like/love yourself, you adore your identicals.

Identicals don't psychologically clash though never, that is just crazy talk.

Since Conflictors have a lot of initial attraction but not safety/comfort, even that relationship could work if both people travel a lot, and don't get psychologically close. These are all just FRAMEWORKS people, don't go basing your lifeon them. DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE INDIVDIUALLY IN YOUR LIFE, IS WHAT YOU NEED. I ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY AND HOW DUAL RELATIONSHIPS ARE LESS NEEDED THE SMARTER WE BECOME.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

yeah I agree with this.

Thank you. Your dual makes you feel physically safer. Mental/psychology though, other IEIs have saved my life before helping me overcome inner battles.

And a baby could be born with hot conflictor sex from two yuppies. Of course, the two don't stay together- nothing in common and they'd quickly grow to hate each other. But that baby grows and does something great for the world.

For the time being, at that particular point in time, the relationship was successful because of other factors.

Nothing can teach you how to do something like an Identical can, having already been there and needing to teach others.

Mirror is good when you want to know how to achieve your dreams in a diff way, with what you're doing isn't working, you need to see your ideals come out from a role model.

[DirectorAbbie]

Thank you. Your dual makes you feel physically safer.

Hey, you're right! I never noticed that before. It doesn't make much sense since my dual's kind of a wimp (no offence, I love EIIs), but when I'm around a dual I feel safer.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Introverts/passive partners/bottoms usually get it wrong the first time by picking somebody too opposite at first. They still pick somebody different and complementary, but at first they miss the mark and tend to be with somebody way too overbearing. They then grow, by picking somebody more alike. (self-confidence as the main learning experience)

I've done this ALOT attracting men that were seriously violent etc.

This is because when your young but in love, you're still a bit overwhelmed/scared of physical envrionment - so confliction abounds. You need a protector/provider but not as much as you think.

Extroverts/active partners/tops usually get it wrong the first time by picking somebody too similiar at first. The relationship starts with mutual friendship and support (very likeable extroverted energy), but quickly delves into nastiness when they see their own harshities reflected back in the same partner, that they'd rather not. When an actual problem arises, or beliefs get discussed, they end up being uneasy as nobody knows where to go. The extroverted partner needs their energy directed, but it's not just happening and both leave frustrated. They grow by picking somebody more different from them.

It's much more volatile and dangerous for two positives to clash and compete than two negatives. Just a fact. An alpha needs an omega more than the omega needs the alpha. Just law of the universe.

So take heart quiet shy faggy introverts, and know that with us - like usually attracts like more than others.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

The reason you don't realize your dual is good for you at first is because they're most likely pleasantly blending your physiology (not psychology) in the background, instead of directly connecting with you. You're saying nothing for them to get excited about, but you're also not pushing their buttons. So, you ignore each other.

But then later, slowly over time you realize how much you need them in the world to feel physically safer. They tend to 'calm your body' down and make you more in control of your personal life. You also then feel truly attracted to them, eternally in an erotic way- that is more tantric, body/mind than lust.

Of course, you can speed up the process much quicker probably being one on one with a dual. Then I think it's much more magnetic. But eek in this world, with all the looneys out there I don't know about that risk.

[redbaron]

The reason you don't realize your dual is good for you at first is because they're most likely pleasantly blending your physiology (not psychology) in the background, instead of directly connecting with you. You're saying nothing for them to get excited about, but you're also not pushing their buttons. So, you ignore each other.

But then later, slowly over time you realize how much you need them in the world to feel physically safer. They tend to 'calm your body' down and make you more in control of your personal life. You also then feel truly attracted to them, eternally in an erotic way- that is more tantric, body/mind than lust.

Of course, you can speed up the process much quicker probably being one on one with a dual. Then I think it's much more magnetic. But eek in this world, with all the looneys out there I don't know about that risk.

yes, you're right! So there was this guy I knew (a borderline couple friend of mine and my husband's) and I suspected he was SLE but wasn't 100% sure. We ignored each other for the most part but then on a couple of occasions, he talked to me one on one and it felt like there was this really low-key connection. I thought it was odd and interesting but didn't think much else (this was in the beginning of my knowledge of socionics). Over time, we've had more interaction. We still largely ignore each other when we're in a larger group. But one-on-one we've developed a friendship that's very cool. And when he's around I feel a)protected and safe b)happy and myself c)more confident and d)more comfortable, even when we're in a group, ignoring each other! His wife is IEI like me so we get along great too. It's very fun.

[Creepy-male]

But then later, slowly over time you realize how much you need them in the world to feel physically safer. They tend to 'calm your body' down and make you more in control of your personal life. You also then feel truly attracted to them, eternally in an erotic way- that is more tantric, body/mind than lust.

Is that the speaking?

Or is this my absolute lack of any contact with s speaking?