Examples of Te dual seeking

[rat1]

Fi judges morality of actions. A consequence of that is procedures for how events should unfold. There's a direct relationship between that. How well do you really know your duals DS function?

[rat1]

Why do you think duals rarely hook up? It's hard to land a dual. It's hard to provide your dual with what they need. It takes stepping out of your comfort zone. Duality is about idealism, but it doesnt translate well into a day to day relationship. ENTjs use Te the total opposite of how Te DS tries to use it. It's way more fluid and interactive in the ego than it is in DS.

[rat1]

It's much easier to sleep with the person you benefit or supervise than it is to land a dual. To get with the dual you need to be thrown together by circumstances. It's a phenomenal thing that occurs. Its very difficult to try and approach a dual without intervening circumstances and force a relationship to start. I have tried.. some sparks fly and then it just fizzles out because both people stay in their ego, and that keeps them separated. But I know I could get the INTj and ESFj girls to suck my dick. Problem is INTj girls are afraid of sex, and then they'd become obsessive stalkers afterwards.

[Suz]

To get with the dual you need to be thrown together by circumstances. It's a phenomenal thing that occurs. Its very difficult to try and approach a dual without intervening circumstances and force a relationship to start. I have tried.. some sparks fly and then it just fizzles out because both people stay in their ego, and that keeps them separated.

I dont always agree with you, but what you said here is ringing very very true ime.

[Lobo]

You boss is following an altruistic strategy when it comes to business. He was essentially focusing on pleasing the customer and broadcasting how open and cooperative he is. The hidden message here is: "see? I will seek to cooperate with you and hide nothing, doing business with me is safe". In case of Bob this strategy has worked as Bob has decided to do business with him. In part it also worked because it sounds like Bob is following same strategy himself. As you have noted he could have just went to check competitor's price and kept his mouth shut. The Te DS hasn't really come into play yet. Now if Bob starts breaking business agreements and your boss will still put up with him rather than judge him incompetent that's where his Te DS will show. Or likewise if Bob fails on some small irrelevant thing and your boss totally blows his top off over it that would be Te DS also.

With respect to him not taking care of finances I really don't think this has to do with Te. I've known several Te ignoring, Te roles and Te PoLR personalities who would watch for such things like hawks. This appears to have something to do with Si if anything, but the connection isn't as simple as to say that all Si egos are good at tracking finances and other types fail at it.

Well, my boss gets mad when people don't act according to his standards, which tend to be unrealistic. It's almost as if he lives in his own illusion of how things should be in the world, and he doesn't seem to be able to re-evaluate his standards by himself. I can see the altruistic strategy being related to Fi. The Te-DS might be him swearing by certain procedures without considering that they might be wrong (this last part might be Ne-polr).

Te DS.. These people want events to unfold according to a procedure. All processes have a correct procedure.

I can see this being the case for ISFjs more than for INFjs though.

Why do the idiots always get the promotions? I'm guessing Bob has just been there a long time and knows the silly procedures.

, Bob is a nice guy, but what he did wasn't good business practice.

Wow, boss is not so smart. If I were him I'd at least have combed through the books to get a good overview of the company's baseline operating expenses like payroll/associated costs, rent, taxes, interest charges, and depreciation, then draw up estimates of the particular expenses of doing what Bob needed so you could hit at least some minimum profit margin based off of the going rates in the industry, probably by doing some research in obtaining competitor quotes and studying their financials if they're a public company. I don't know how long he's been in the business or how the company's looking, so maybe he has at least some idea of what he's got to charge to turn acceptable profit, but it just sounds like he's playing fast and loose about it in a way that's asking to be taken advantage of.

What's worse is that he waited until maybe 30min before the meeting to prepare the quote, lol. I glanced at the numbers he put in, and they were so low... In fact, Bob contacted him today saying that the quote was below competitors and we could raise it. I didn't even know people did that.

[Minde]

He might be the people-pleaser sub-type. Or, certain people, anyway.

I personally feel like I am way too naive in my business approaches. I'm pretty trusting, tending to automatically believe that everyone is genuine and well-intentioned. I want to like people; and I am happy when they like me back. Thus I am often open and giving, especially when given questions or requests.

This attitude, while ideal for me - I feel it's probably a little dangerous. Especially since I'm running my own business. Happily, thus far I've been alright and have not been obviously taken advantage of.

But I guess since I can face that it's a weakness, as the second post pointed out, that gives me a little more control over it. With regard to accounting I was "bad" at it for awhile, and I still don't consider it my favorite, but building up a routine has helped as well as my instinctual love for order, so now my finances are relatively organized.


Anyway, I don't think I actually have anything useful to say here. I don't know what the socionic difference between you and your boss is. Just wanted to chip in how some of this resonated with me.

[munenori2]

What's worse is that he waited until maybe 30min before the meeting to prepare the quote, lol. I glanced at the numbers he put in, and they were so low... In fact, Bob contacted him today saying that the quote was below competitors and we could raise it. I didn't even know people did that.

Bob is one nice SOB.

[silke]

Well, my boss gets mad when people don't act according to his standards, which tend to be unrealistic. It's almost as if he lives in his own illusion of how things should be in the world, and he doesn't seem to be able to re-evaluate his standards by himself. I can see the altruistic strategy being related to Fi. The Te-DS might be him swearing by certain procedures without considering that they might be wrong (this last part might be Ne-polr).

Him getting mad when people don't act according to his standards is likely cuz he is boss. I mean isn't that what bosses are supposed to do, set standards and then enforce certain order? That his standards are unrealistic might be because he is not a super intelligent guy. Alternatively, he has reasons for doing things that are not clear to you at this point, so you think that he is doing something stupid when in reality what he is doing actually works. Not checking whether his procedures are actually hitting the goal might have something to do with Te-DS I agree.

[Lobo]

He might be the people-pleaser sub-type. Or, certain people, anyway.

I personally feel like I am way too naive in my business approaches. I'm pretty trusting, tending to automatically believe that everyone is genuine and well-intentioned. I want to like people; and I am happy when they like me back. Thus I am often open and giving, especially when given questions or requests.

This attitude, while ideal for me - I feel it's probably a little dangerous. Especially since I'm running my own business. Happily, thus far I've been alright and have not been obviously taken advantage of.

But I guess since I can face that it's a weakness, as the second post pointed out, that gives me a little more control over it. With regard to accounting I was "bad" at it for awhile, and I still don't consider it my favorite, but building up a routine has helped as well as my instinctual love for order, so now my finances are relatively organized.


Anyway, I don't think I actually have anything useful to say here. I don't know what the socionic difference between you and your boss is. Just wanted to chip in how some of this resonated with me.

Thing is you're probably not half as paranoid as I am when it comes to trusting strangers, lol. I like people too for the most part, but I understand how they can act differently than how I'd expect them too. It's like I'm bombarded with possibilities of how things can turn out for better or for worse.

Or your boss is merely an idiot.

Except it's not.

He's not stupid. What I meant was that ISFjs will not stray away from ways of doing things that have worked for them before. INFjs being Ne-creative are more likely to try/consider different procedures.

Him getting mad when people don't act according to his standards is likely cuz he is boss. I mean isn't that what bosses are supposed to do, set standards and then enforce certain order? That his standards are unrealistic might be because he is not a super intelligent guy. Alternatively, he has reasons for doing things that are not clear to you at this point, so you think that he is doing something stupid when in reality what he is doing actually works. Not checking whether his procedures are actually hitting the goal might have something to do with Te-DS I agree.

I don't agree with that notion about how bosses are supposed to be . I'll give you an example of his standards: He bitched at me once because I couldn't get an appointment with Bob, again threatening me, that it's my job to do things at all costs "and not rely solely on e-mails and phone calls." How else am I going to get the appointment if not by e-mails and phone calls? I even drove to his office and he wasn't there. His reprimands are borderline crazy at times, and then when you don't solve the issue he uses disappointment in you as a way to make you feel bad.

[rat1]

I can see this being the case for ISFjs more than for INFjs though.

It just depends on what the process is aiming for. INFjs want this state of perfect harmony. ISFjs want their own plans to be fulfilled.

[rat1]

Most all relationships between people start by incidental circumstance. It's not really something that can be planned or forced to happen.

No, most good relationships start that way. But I have tons of shitty relationships, like the ones on this board. Duality is the ideal of a perfect relationship as far as socionics is concerned.

[rat1]

I dont do heroin, I only dream of doing it one day when I can afford it.

[NewBorn STAR]

I dont do heroin, I only dream of doing it one day when I can afford it.

,D

What kind of corruption would take in place. For that to be the biggest dream. Atleast the lack of concern for societal values and the will to serve own desire as highest.

Amphetamines are more of mine things. Which is how i fool everyone to believe im enfj

Also this is te seeking. I want to arguee please. Come and meet my nucreal arsenal

[jughead]

Eh, it doesn't seem that uncommon. It's easy for me to see that it does work and why—especially in terms of having similar thought patterns and values. IME, it tends to take me aback at 1st because I wasn't expecting it. Though that doesn't necessarily mean I want a relationship with every dual that I meet. That depends on a lot of non-Socionics related conditions.

I agree with ashton on this one. Conflict happens at about the same rate, you just generally get the feeling you don't like the person or somethings off and your headed in the wrong direction, potential disaster.

[FDG]

Well enough to say what I just did. And I know I don't think in terms of specific procedures, so if someone's looking for that kind of guidance, they're not going to get it from me.

You probably do but just don't recognize it. It's likely that you won't think about them as correct procedures, just as "a nice idea about the way I think something might be done". Then some static-IJ type happens to hook into it and finds what he-she was looking for and uses it over and over (creation-creating).

[Azeroffs]

Nope. I just tell people what the situation is and what their goal ought to be in the face of that. How they get there is up to them.

Strange, usually it's the exact opposite for me. People can choose whatever goals they want, and I usually tell them what they should do based on that. It seems presumptuous to think that you can tell someone what their goals should be, but that's just me.

[Aiss]

*watches FDG and Azeroff kick Ashton out of our quadra*



To be serious, though, I realize Te-dominant is different from Te-creative as far as phenotype goes, but I would like to point out Te itself isn't sticking to procedures, nor an assumption of there being one and only one "right" way. I don't know where this misconception comes from, but you might want to look around and question it rather than mindlessly repeat the stereotype, even if it does wonders for your egos. Just a suggestion.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

*watches FDG and Azeroff kick Ashton out of our quadra*

I thought you were considering LII.

*samples her popcorn*

[Aiss]

I thought you were considering LII.

*samples her popcorn*

damn, I forgot about that ._.

oh and you can have the popcorn, I don't like this stuff anyway. wish they had something taster on here.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

damn, I forgot about that ._.

oh and you can have the popcorn, I don't like this stuff anyway. wish they had something taster on here.

*walks off with the popcorn*

[rat1]

I would like to point out Te itself isn't sticking to procedures

The set procedure comes from having a goal and a way to achieve that goal. If the goal is not defined, then there can be no set procedure.

[ashlesha]

Strange, usually it's the exact opposite for me. People can choose whatever goals they want, and I usually tell them what they should do based on that. It seems presumptuous to think that you can tell someone what their goals should be, but that's just me.