Se vs Si ?

[Expat]

But it's still in a moving state; rationality comes into play when it's stopped, either by the static state of being stopped, or the dynamic state of actively stopping.

Yes, but that is precisely why I see the EJ-IP temperament as shifting between each other (as the IJ-EP too). If it's moving and you are simply contented with the moving, then you are in the IP state; when you decide you have to actively steer the movement or stop it, you are in the EJ state. For a Dynamic, it will never be in a static state of just not moving; you have to take active action to keep it from moving, if that's what you want.

[Gilly]

Ok, I agree. Steering = movement + energy= dynamic extroversion

[Expat]

Ok, I agree. Steering = movement + energy= dynamic extroversion

Precisely!

[Nostros]

Dynamic perceives change, Static perceives stasis
Rational dislikes "uncontrolled" change, Irrational wants change

Static + Irrational --> change must be caused ---> extroversion
Static + Rational ---> there is no uncontrolled change, no need for action ---> introversion
Dynamic + irrational ---> change is happening already ---> introversion
Dynamic + rational --> change is happening and must be controlled ---> extroversion

Very nice descriptions for the Introverted/Extraverted changes...

[Expat]

what he means is, that if you have

Fi Se let's say

Se pushes for change in your model, right? well in the case of creative, it doesn't, it pushes for stasis

No I don't think so. Se as a function always pushes for change; as long as the ISFj (as in your example) is perceiving reality primarily as a Fi IJ, he will be static rational and prefer stasis. When they focus on Se then they push for change; that is why I say that IJs have their EP moments and vice-versa.

Let us again differentiate a person from a function -- Se is always extroverted, static, irrational, pushing for change; but in a person it will not be that person's primary window to see reality, that will be and therefore introverted, static, rational which is where the person's temperament comes from.

[FDG]

what he means is, that if you have

Fi Se let's say

Se pushes for change in your model, right? well in the case of creative, it doesn't, it pushes for stasis

No I don't think so. Se as a function always pushes for change; as long as the ISFj (as in your example) is perceiving reality primarily as a Fi IJ, he will be static rational and prefer stasis. When they focus on Se then they push for change; that is why I say that IJs have their EP moments and vice-versa.

Let us again differentiate a person from a function -- Se is always extroverted, static, irrational, pushing for change; but in a person it will not be that person's primary window to see reality, that will be and therefore introverted, static, rational which is where the person's temperament comes from.

Ok, makes perfect sense to me