Socionics IQ Test

[tcaudilllg]

He seems intuitive, but where's the thinking? Can anyone here imagine UDP defending a position he knows is correct despite that it isn't commonly accepted as such? Such behavior is fundamental to use of a thinking function, and we see very little of it in his posts.

UDP has suggested to me that his exertion type is ESTj. If this is the case, then he thinks primarily about how best to communicate with others. From these thoughts he sets forward possible interrelationship strategies, the results of which we probably observe in his threads. Consider, he is a reform-minded person who gets along remarkably well with all of the traditionalists here. The only one I've ever seen him flare up against is Rocky.

There is also the issue of with exertion , which would correspond to an interrelationship of ideals, don't you think?

[UDP]

Well, there are many interesting symmetries in the Te/Ti that we can go on an on about, but we will needlessly clutter up this post, because UDP is not a T type.

What type am I then?

[Ms. Kensington]

transigent!

UDP! I think he is INTj more than any ethical type.

I few things I remember- I do see UDP defending something he thinks is true, I do agree that INTjs may be shy about presenting themselves, i see constant requesting of backing information to be a sign of a T and of arguments>facts of Ti (requesting argumentative structure>facts/providing facts) <--not so greatly worded; INTjs have Ne as the creative function so what they show will seem to be disconnected and "idea fishing"; being unsure of what is true can be seen as a strong Ne fuction more than a strong Te function; Te people seem to be quite sure at the time of the argument of what's true, even if they can change their minds later; the role function and the polr are conscious functions that the type will be very concerned with. Myself, an INTj, acted very similarly to UDP when I was his age. I've said elsewhere that I think one's role is something like the way one thinks the world should be, as opposed to the program, how the world is to that person. I see the superid block as what you need from other people. The polr has been stated elsewhere as something that the type recognizes as useful and that is why a polr hit hurts. So, while talking about not being lazy could seem on the surface as not valuing Si, IMO it shows only a concern with not being lazy and isn't indicative of what that person actually does.

While I have been raised by an ENTj and I think this contributed to some of my values for life or what I think I should be doing in life, I still think an INTj raised by people with the same quadra values can seem to value Te. It is unconscious, and strong, after all. But the way he acts is to me not as a Te dominant type. If the posts don't show T then they don't show Te. If idea fishing is not Ne, I don't think it is Fe creative. Ne creative means the program is an introverted judging function.

Asking for so much people advice is not INFp.

EDIT: this is not meant to be a complete argument. It's just some things that jumped out at me in reading this thread.

[rockclimber]

He has demonstrated very little of his real personality. He consistently masks his actions and descriptions of prior actions under type descriptions/quotables. What the fuck do we really know about him?

I know a great deal about him, and I am quite convinced he is INTj.

How many times has this come up?

[Gilly]

ENTp

Glad to see you finally came to terms with this

[Enters Laughing]

I know a great deal about him, and I am quite convinced he is INTj.

How many times has this come up?

Hmm, I know, fucking hell, when was the last time I had a thread dedicated to me? What's he got that I don't have?











(...and where can I get one? )

[Creepy-bg]

I know a great deal about him, and I am quite convinced he is INTj.

How many times has this come up?

Hmm, I know, fucking hell, when was the last time I had a thread dedicated to me? What's he got that I don't have?

UDP got game... even the gays want to get with him

[Enters Laughing]

I know a great deal about him, and I am quite convinced he is INTj.

How many times has this come up?

Hmm, I know, fucking hell, when was the last time I had a thread dedicated to me? What's he got that I don't have?

UDP got game... even the gay's want to get with him

Oh, fuck, that really takes the biscuit - why doesn't he just rub it in my face?

[Ms. Kensington]

ENTp

Glad to see you finally came to terms with this

You should tell us how you did, ******

I feel unsure if whether I should call you by your full name. Welcome!1

Also this kind of reminds me of heath's thread where laziness has come up. I tend to think of laziness as something that could be an invented term that is used by only some parts of the population. This said from the perspective of an Se polr.

[Gilly]

ENTp

Glad to see you finally came to terms with this

You should tell us how you did, ******

It couldn't have been that hard. The rest of us knew it all along

[Ms. Kensington]

someone pm'ed me to qualify the laziness thing so:

well i think that people call other people lazy because their mindset is like "well that person didn't do x because he was just lazy". There are other reasons why someone might not have done something; maybe it slipped their mind. But the person for whom day to day task lists do not easily fade out of consciousness can say well it's impossible to forget these things, so the only option for explanation is that they were lazy.

[Exodus]

maybe udp is just an Ne subtype of intj.

No no no. His behavior is quite consistent with Smilingeyes's description of IJ-Ji. If anything, UDP is rational.

[UDP]

If you really knew me in person, the most apparent thing would be my IJ temperment.

[Transigent]

Edited for gayness.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Logos]

UDP and I share some of the same faults, and some of the same virtues, but we're quite different in other things. Clear as mud, eh?

Crystal.

[UDP]

It seems like ****** was trying to belittle me into believing I am an INFp.
If he was supposed to be demonstrating Ti as a creative function, it was anything but lucid.

[Creepy-bg]

UDP and I share some of the same faults, and some of the same virtues, but we're quite different in other things. Clear as mud, eh?

Crystal.

you want some crystal? I can get you some crystal... good shit too, two steps from the cook :wink:

[Logos]

UDP and I share some of the same faults, and some of the same virtues, but we're quite different in other things. Clear as mud, eh?

Crystal.

you want some crystal? I can get you some crystal... good shit too, two steps from the cook :wink:

We are talking about quartz right?

It seems like ****** was trying to belittle me into believing I am an INFp.
If he was supposed to be demonstrating Ti as a creative function, it was anything but lucid.

Attack the message and not the messenger.

[Transigent]

Edited for gayness.

[Creepy-bg]

UDP and I share some of the same faults, and some of the same virtues, but we're quite different in other things. Clear as mud, eh?

Crystal.

you want some crystal? I can get you some crystal... good shit too, two steps from the cook :wink:

We are talking about quartz right?

ahhh yeah... sure :wink:

[UDP]

It seems like ****** was trying to belittle me into believing I am an INFp.

I'm not trying to belittle you dude. I don't know how you got that....or wait....

...

Ask yourself WHY you took what I said as me trying to belittle you?

You suppose this to be a flattering definition?

Think about it. Lets say you were trying to solve a complex problem. Suppose you have a little magic person in front of you whispering to you "See this. This is true! This is it! This is what its all about!" while at the same time not really being able to determine which parts of the conflicting information pieces that you have in front of you--not being able to tell which parts were correct, faulty, biased, erroneous. It would be much easier to just give up and believe the person who is telling you the answer. Now suppose this person is really really really convincing and he is with you all the time. You would then be quite sure of yourself as long as you were following instructions from this magical person.

The little hat on this little person, this little...this Introverted Intution can be a wizards cap or a dunce cap, and nobody really can say which in advance. But Ni types by definition are the ones that are tuning in to this strange creature.

No one with an ounce of dignity would accept that as a description of themselves, especially a logical type.

[UDP]

Keep going with your INFp assumption though - explain it further, so as to demonstrate your socionics IQ.

[UDP]

...dissappeared?

First, explain to me why my dual is ESTp.

[Elro]

From another thread:

I am not unsure of my type. I am playing the game and wondering what other people's socionics IQ is.

This kind of attitude really annoys me, and therefore I take back what I said earlier about stepping back and contribute this as well:

I am fine with a girl wanting to be attention seeking and somewhat controlling - so long as she is someone who has decent values. I somewhat feel like I look for that, actually - someone who is upfront about wanting to be in a relationship with me.

From the "Alpha Quadra subtype relationship interaction descriptions" thread. Does this not seem like it's describing Se and Fi? Or am I just totally off in my understanding of Socionics here?

[Elro]

Keep going with your INFp assumption though - explain it further, so as to demonstrate your socionics IQ.

First, explain to me why my dual is ESTp.

Notice the command forms? And he already said he's not taking this seriously.

[UDP]

Does this not seem like it's describing Se and Fi?

So I am an ESFp then?

Keep going with your claims.

[Elro]

Does this not seem like it's describing Se and Fi?

So I am an ESFp then?

Keep going with your claims.

That quote was from you describing your ideal match. So you value Se and Fi in others. Or at least, that's how I'm interpreting it. Se and Fi are INTj's superego (not in that order, but in this case the order doesn't matter as it's unclear). So no, I'm not calling you ESFp, I'm saying you might get along with them.

[UDP]

From another thread:

I am not unsure of my type. I am playing the game and wondering what other people's socionics IQ is.

This kind of attitude really annoys me, and therefore I take back what I said earlier about stepping back and contribute this as well:

Why does this annoy you? I am curious.

[UDP]

Does this not seem like it's describing Se and Fi?

So I am an ESFp then?

Keep going with your claims.

That quote was from you describing your ideal match. So you value Se and Fi in others. Or at least, that's how I'm interpreting it. Se and Fi are INTj's superego (not in that order, but in this case the order doesn't matter as it's unclear). So no, I'm not calling you ESFp, I'm saying you might get along with them.

So now I am irrational?
and have ESFp as a dual.

So you are saying I am INTp?

[UDP]

At least Elro's claims about take away from ******'s INFp idea - I must make such a big deal about because that is what I am looking for my dual, right?

[Elro]

From another thread:

I am not unsure of my type. I am playing the game and wondering what other people's socionics IQ is.

This kind of attitude really annoys me, and therefore I take back what I said earlier about stepping back and contribute this as well:

Why does this disappoint you? I am curious.

It seems to imply that you're not open to being convinced otherwise. That you're certain you're right, and that anyone who disagrees with you has a "low socionics IQ." That is a foolish position to take, in my opinion, for if you were wrong you would never know it.

[Elro]

Does this not seem like it's describing Se and Fi?

So I am an ESFp then?

Keep going with your claims.

That quote was from you describing your ideal match. So you value Se and Fi in others. Or at least, that's how I'm interpreting it. Se and Fi are INTj's superego (not in that order, but in this case the order doesn't matter as it's unclear). So no, I'm not calling you ESFp, I'm saying you might get along with them.

So now I am irrational?
and have ESFp as a dual.

So you are saying I am INTp?

See the bolded. I said it looked like you were valuing Se and Fi, not necessarily in that order (although it could be in that order). When you read my posts, please beware of straw-manning them. I can understand if you think I'm wrong, but at least try to see what I'm saying first.

[UDP]

Complete your argument then, and say what type you think I am, and why. You leave your assertions without conclusion.

[UDP]

From another thread:

I am not unsure of my type. I am playing the game and wondering what other people's socionics IQ is.

This kind of attitude really annoys me, and therefore I take back what I said earlier about stepping back and contribute this as well:

Why does this disappoint you? I am curious.

It seems to imply that you're not open to being convinced otherwise. That you're certain you're right, and that anyone who disagrees with you has a "low socionics IQ." That is a foolish position to take, in my opinion, for if you were wrong you would never know it.

It is a matter of what you value more, being right, or seeking out the truth. Apparently you do not know me well enough to know where I fall on that category.


I am waiting for arguments and ideas, but so far people have only hinted at ideas...

ENTj

INFp
ENFj
INTj
ISTj
?

A lot of talking but a lack of convincing is going on. I am open to ideas, but I am not going to write out your idea for you.

[Elro]

Complete your argument then, and say what type you think I am, and why. You leave your assertions without conclusion.

My only conclusion is that I find it difficult to accept you are INTj, based on my understanding of Socionics, your self-description, and your interactions with people around these boards. I hesitate to make any conclusion more than that because I still am uncertain in exactly which direction to conclude. The two types I can see as most likely are ISTj and ENTj, not necessarily in that order. Upon thinking about it, I see a lot of reasons to think ISTj, actually. Even that quote - you're AGAIN using Se in that you're very clearly ordering me to do something. "Complete your argument. Say what type you think I am. You leave your assertions without conclusion (and that is unacceptable to me so do it)." No wishy-washy conditional statements or anything like that. If nothing else, it seems unlike something an Se PoLR person would do. And if you have Ne PoLR it would mean you do not like leaving things undecided, which could be another reason you don't like that I'm not concluding it. And as to why you're mentally not letting yourself question it in the first place.

However, you've also said some things that might be attributed to valuing Fi. So I'm not sure.

[Elro]

From another thread:

I am not unsure of my type. I am playing the game and wondering what other people's socionics IQ is.

This kind of attitude really annoys me, and therefore I take back what I said earlier about stepping back and contribute this as well:

Why does this disappoint you? I am curious.

It seems to imply that you're not open to being convinced otherwise. That you're certain you're right, and that anyone who disagrees with you has a "low socionics IQ." That is a foolish position to take, in my opinion, for if you were wrong you would never know it.

It is a matter of what you value more, being right, or seeking out the truth. Apparently you do not know me well enough to know where I fall on that category.

I completely agree, and yet I believe we are each thinking the other person is in the opposite position.

I am waiting for arguments and ideas, but so far people have only hinted at ideas...

Please see my long post above, like two pages ago. That wasn't an argument?

A lot of talking but a lack of convincing is going on. I am open to ideas, but I am not going to write out your idea for you.

Again,

I am not unsure of my type. I am playing the game and wondering what other people's socionics IQ is.

This does not seem to signify that you are open to ideas, let alone convincing. Has your mind changed about this? Or am I misinterpreting it?

[UDP]

Complete your argument then, and say what type you think I am, and why. You leave your assertions without conclusion.

My only conclusion is that I find it difficult to accept you are INTj, based on my understanding of Socionics, your self-description, and your interactions with people around these boards. I hesitate to make any conclusion more than that because I still am uncertain in exactly which direction to conclude. The two types I can see as most likely are ISTj and ENTj, not necessarily in that order. Upon thinking about it, I see a lot of reasons to think ISTj, actually. Even that quote - you're AGAIN using Se in that you're very clearly ordering me to do something. "Complete your argument. Say what type you think I am. You leave your assertions without conclusion (and that is unacceptable to me so do it)." No wishy-washy conditional statements or anything like that. If nothing else, it seems unlike something an Se PoLR person would do.

Is that so...

And if you have Ne PoLR it would mean you do not like leaving things undecided, which could be another reason you don't like that I'm not concluding it. And as to why you're mentally not letting yourself question it in the first place.

And what exactly is my mind closed to? This: "I hesitate to make any conclusion more than that because I still am uncertain in exactly which direction to conclude." ?
Your conclusion that.... you are still uncertain? Ok.

I find it difficult to accept you are INTj,

Yes, I see that.

[Elro]

Fine, you want a conclusion? ISTj.
I'm more confident of Ti>Te than Fi>Fe.

[UDP]

I am waiting for arguments and ideas, but so far people have only hinted at ideas...

Please see my long post above, like two pages ago. That wasn't an argument?

Was it? Alright, I will go through it next.

A lot of talking but a lack of convincing is going on. I am open to ideas, but I am not going to write out your idea for you.

Again,

I am not unsure of my type. I am playing the game and wondering what other people's socionics IQ is.

This does not seem to signify that you are open to ideas, let alone convincing. Has your mind changed about this? Or am I misinterpreting it?

[/quote]

If I was unsure of my type, I would have posted a thread to discuss my type, I would not have had it posted in my signature. Just because ****** started a thread saying I am incorrectly typed does not mean I automatically must become uncertain about things. I have decided to listen to what people have to say, nevertheless. Furthermore, if you look at this recent thread, you will see that I say I identify with the following:

Because of this, other sometimes experience INTJs as intractable, much to the surprise of the INTJ, who is very willing to change an opinion when new evidence emerges.

Show me something good and I will change my mind.