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  • ENTp

    4 15.38%
  • ISFp

    3 11.54%
  • ESFj

    3 11.54%
  • INTj

    1 3.85%
  • ESTp

    2 7.69%
  • INFp

    6 23.08%
  • ISTj

    1 3.85%
  • ENFj

    1 3.85%
  • ENTj

    1 3.85%
  • ISFj

    0 0%
  • INTp

    1 3.85%
  • ESFp

    1 3.85%
  • ENFp

    1 3.85%
  • ISTp

    0 0%
  • ESTj

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro
    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    I put ISFj there because one socionic Roman Kozin was very confident when he said that I'm of that type. Personally, I'd put in the "don't bother" section. But he said that since I was not so long after studying a technical course for 4 years, my super ego was sort of dominating (INTj). That really does it against easy typing in some cases if true, doesn't it? As for the rest, it's mostly how I personally view the types likelihood of being mine.
    The probability of you being an ISTp seems greater than ISFj or INTj.
    Fe PoLR? I kinda doubt it... The only thing that seems incredibly clear to me is Fe ego. Though really the probability of any of those three types seems somewhat low.
    No, could be. Just 'cause you see Fe doesn't mean it actually IS dominant in all of life (vs posting on the internet). For example, ISTps can be more inclined to use a lot of (perhaps, even seemingly awkward) Fe in lieu of a pramatic goal ... or overcompensate for a known weakness ... or ... (blah^3).

    Yet, as my other post suggested, maybe he's ISFp and we're actually seeing creative Fe here. But I don't see ESFj (nor ENFj) in him as a dominant (steady, well-regulated) function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    I posted a link to my pictures in the first post in this thread. I don't think I can get/have anything better. ISTp actually, maybe, I did put a little too low. They do seem to resemble the way I am quite a lot. But at the same time, not all was smooth with the ones I knew, but perhaps that is not a required thing and perhaps there were more, who I still didn't identify as ISTps with whom things were better. Try the pics and see.
    OK, I did see those pix already.

    How well do you believe you regularly maintain your interpersonal relationships over time, particularly with individuals who are not already somehow involved in your routine? This is a tricky question, depending on one's experiences and age - i.e., you might not even know, yet.

    EDIT

    Also, silly as it may sound, if you made a list of "things you like," that also might be helpful. But structure it like a simple list, though, rather than a paragraph ... else too much self-analysis might dilute the results. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    How well do you believe you regularly maintain your interpersonal relationships over time, particularly with individuals who are not already somehow involved in your routine?
    I'll have a shot anyway. Currently I know loooots of people who I liked a lot and with whom we had some history, but I have lost contact with most of them.
    Yeah. Leaning temporarily more toward ISTp, I sort of expected this response. This is common for weak Fe, in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Right now, I really just have one friend, an ENTp, with whom I kinda regularly correspond over the Internet, though do it in bursts, sorta. When I have interest, I talk to him, otherwise, don't. I don't really maintain relationships well. But that I think is to do with me not having interest in those people. Some people I suddenly have an interest in and I note to myself to try to get their current contacts but I might loose it later. Is that satisfactory? I can elaborate more, just point out a direction.
    No, that's good. Nice and descriptive! Now, please see my previous post and for the time-delayed edit ... I may come up with more questions yet.

    EDIT: By the way, "I can elaborate more, just point out a direction." sounds like a dual-seeking mass of Si in search of a goal. Anyone else agree? Please, don't cave in to the power of suggestion. :wink: 'Cuz seriously, that could be quite wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    Also, silly as it may sound, if you made a list of "things you like," that also might be helpful. But structure it like a simple list, though, rather than a paragraph ... else too much self-analysis might dilute the results. Wink
    That could be a pretty long list I think, but give me some "limits", an example maybe or something.
    Long is OK. Think about, compose it to YOUR satisfaction, and if you decide to ... please post it. Don't worry about normalizing it or meeting outside standards ... just that it reflects you, to your own satisfaction.

    (Uh oh, maybe this is Fi > Te ?!? LOL!!!)

    Feel free to take your time. I need to sign off for a while, anyway. TTYS/L.

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    btw, of the other pix you've posted ...

    the supposed ENTj, I saw ENFj on 1st glance. But, of course, it's JUST one pic ...

    +

    the girl in the middle of the others did not seem ISFj to me (interesting; 1st time I'm aware of disagreeing with FDG on v.i.). Could see Si dominant. (& btw, on the left doesn't look ESFj at all, as someone else suggested.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    btw, of the other pix you've posted ...

    the supposed ENTj, I saw ENFj on 1st glance. But, of course, it's JUST one pic ...

    +

    the girl in the middle of the others did not seem ISFj to me (interesting; 1st time I'm aware of disagreeing with FDG on v.i.).
    Oh the girl in the middle I typed as IP - the one on the far left i typed as ISFj
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    You played the Age of Empires or the Civilization series? Or you more of a Warcraft, C&C or Cossacks man?

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    Age of Empires is brilliant. Took me a while to get into III, but I like it. II is still a classic.

    Civilization II - nothing can beat it. III is average in comparison.

    Anyway, that's steering off topic.

    What are your current considerations? Have you thought about your conflicting choices of ENTp and ISFj?

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    Great. So you reckon you're ENTp then, or are there unsolved issues that can be sorted?

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    You know, you seem a lot like me. Except that you're not looking at either ESTj or ENTj as potential types, whereas I am.

    At the moment, I've cut out ENTp due to their goofiness, but I'm starting to see the lack of focus in me - not long-term, but short term. Basically, if I'm not getting enjoyment or productivity out of something I'll stop (if something's boring but I know it's leading towards something, I'll continue no matter what the cost. But if I'm reading a book, not taking it in at all, then I'll stop). But perhaps that's nothing to do with type, maybe it's simply human nature.

    As for ESTj and ESTp, I like the idea of being one of them, but I'm not sure I'm short-term enough.

    ENTj is my best bet based on descriptions.

    Regardless, we may be in completely different quadras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Ok.

    sound of thunder before the rain starts
    pretty, easy, light-hearted, loving-you girls acting silly
    fast car and motorcycle driving
    combat jets
    having fun and great friends with whom I easily get along
    catching large fish
    deep and stormy oceans
    mathematics
    programming
    sex
    to chop wood
    to do silly, crazy and stupid stuff with other people
    to do fast physical work
    jacuzzi
    turkey pine hotel resorts
    playing basketball, football, volleyball, tennis, cards
    listening to music sometimes
    smells after the rain
    shooting
    drugs (but I don't take them)
    orthodox liturgies
    huge cities
    The Matrix trilogy
    strategy computer games
    to feel good
    when people don't shun me no matter what
    learning about new advanced technologies and various scientific theories
    Spanish language
    indian and chinese food
    to weak up early
    the idea of revolutionizing society and politics for the good
    nobleness and bravery
    Disney parks
    animals
    to help in building structures
    to improvise various tunes
    the sound of rain against the window
    hang around with cool people like amazing techno djs
    smell of petrol
    to read good sci-fi fantasy books
    learning about system dynamics and how to apply it
    to learn what's going to happen in the future
    to earn or make money
    to be popular
    emotional support when I need it
    modern appartments with heated floors
    modern and minimalistic buildings
    gentle kissing
    to team up with someone and go through life together
    ...
    I like your list a lot. (The part about drugs is confusing, though.)

    My vote is now firmly for ISTp and probably ... intrinsically ... a correlated enneagram 3w4. It would wayyyy to wordy for me to explain all my reasons why, based on the info you've given so far. (And obviously, you'll affirm whatever type you ultimately are, for yourself!)

    But in case this generates more "food" for the others to dissect ... (heh heh!) ...

    How do you experience your Fi?

    How do you feel about relaxation?

    And what styles of music do you enjoy ~ i.e., what do you typically look for that appeals to you?

    What "inner resource" do you feel you have that seems endless ... you have to try and "shut it off" because you go overboard?

    Are there any particular kinds of imagery ... aesthetics ... whether IRL nature or manmade patterns, or both ... which appeals to you the most? (No porn comments, please :wink: ).

    What do you enjoy about your ENTp friend you mentioned? Anything you sort of dislike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    btw, of the other pix you've posted ...

    the supposed ENTj, I saw ENFj on 1st glance. But, of course, it's JUST one pic ...

    +

    the girl in the middle of the others did not seem ISFj to me (interesting; 1st time I'm aware of disagreeing with FDG on v.i.).
    Oh the girl in the middle I typed as IP - the one on the far left i typed as ISFj
    LOL, glad you saw what I wrote and corrected me! Scanning too fast again ... :wink: Someone else had that lefty as an ESFj, though ... too lazy to go back and look now.

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    Argument against Fe PoLR:

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Hi FDG! Nice to see your contribution also! So you're saying that it is very probable that I have Te PoLR, yeh? :wink: Well, I must admit I AM actually pretty lazy. As for my "knowledge" of socionics, it must still be quite mediocre since I still cannot confidently type myself! Ezra, eh? I'll definately look into her posts since you say I might find a strong resemblance between me and her.
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    he-he So away with Reinin dichotomies, eh?! Who needs them, anyway!
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Sorry to make you go through this analysis of yours unnecessarily, Elro, I just made a mistake - I meant Fi PoLR.
    ...
    P.S. Thanks for participation!
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Thanks, Baby for your further input! I'll keep posting though, 'cos the more I do, the more information about me there will be. If you are exhausted, you don't have to post, like
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Hello, thehotelambush! Thank for putting in YOUR 5 cents!

    ...

    Hi mea! Poor XoX! I hope he becomes certain of his type soon. I hate to see him in such a wretched state!
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Thanks guys for sticking around!
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Sorry for being a little abrupt, man. You are right that my knowledge of socionics has still a long way to go and my VI database is not yet huge. I am sure you are much better at the above than me and perhaps a lot of people on this forum and I am interested in your positive disposition towards me because I can definately benefit from it. If you like to help people, then there may be potential for your interest too. Lets keep it cool between us. I respect you a lot and hope things to be alright between me and you.
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Thanks, Elro! Sorry I was a little to dry the last post
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Hello, Ezra! How are you doin'!!! Scanned all the thread - wow, it's big!! Pity no definite results, though. Actually, I had a friend, well still have, but we only rarely communicate now 'cos of an accident a while ago involving my sister. Anyway, he is JUST LIKE YOU. Actually, I've absolutely no doubt you guys are of the same type and even subtype! The only problem is - I still haven't figured out what his type is! But when I read your posts, it's like I can close my eyes and see the friend of mine talking to me, it's weird!
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Also, I want to apologize to everyone on this thread. Sorry guys that I put up that post of mine after such a long discussion. It was like I gave you all the finger with my only right answer. I hope you forgive me. I'm new here (I don't mean it as an excuse) and I hope I can positively contribute to our mutual and individual interests in the future.
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Hi Ezra, hi guys! Thanks for support and all, but I'll stick to my comments earlier to keep my consciousness clear. Ezra, good luck!
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Well thanks, thehotelambush! I mean I really appreciate any thoughts relating to my type as I'm currently in full search mode for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Guys, can we please be less harsh at "correcting" his understanding of socionics? I understand it's better he knows it good before doing this, but we can, I mean, be more patient and solve this puzzle "step-by-step", sort of, if he needs to knowledgeably provide an answer to a particular information request/elaborate on particular things in order for us to construct an understanding of his type.


    See a pattern?
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    Hahahaha, nice, Elro.

    Yes, Fe appears to be valued. dee is far too warm to be an ISTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    a correlated enneagram 3w4.
    I tested as:

    6 49 I must be secure and safe to be happy.
    3 43 I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.
    5 42 I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
    2 40 I must be helpful and caring to be happy.
    7 39 I must be high and entertained to be happy.
    4 39 I must avoid painful feelings to be happy.
    9 37 I must be peaceful and easy to get along with to be happy.
    8 37 I must be strong and in control to be happy.
    1 33 I must be perfect and good to be happy.
    Man, you're not very gut-orientated at all are you?

    6-9-3 trifix. Nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    How do you feel about relaxation?
    Relaxation comes to me pretty poorly actually. Like I think I'm pretty much always in some sort of an internal tension. I sometimes consciously try to be relaxed, but when I stop paying attention to it, I tense up again.
    Textbook 6. Have you decided as to whether you're a 6w7 or a 6w5 yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro



    See a pattern?
    Yes, the results of which tell me that you didn't really hear anything of what I've already written on this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    No, could be. Just 'cause you see Fe doesn't mean it actually IS dominant in all of life (vs posting on the internet). For example, ISTps can be more inclined to use a lot of (perhaps, even seemingly awkward) Fe in lieu of a pramatic goal ... or overcompensate for a known weakness ... or ... (blah^3).
    This is all true; I just question whether it would be true to the extent that it seems dee uses Fe. It's possible, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

    At any rate, take it with a grain of salt as my typing techniques have been challenged recently. So I'm gonna step out and study up a little more to make sure I actually know what I'm talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    I'd love to hear your top three for me, UDP III.
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    And please be more constructive. The fact that you are unsure of your type right now does not have to make everyone unsure of theirs.
    Ethical.


    If you want to - reach me at one of my many messaging programs in my signature to discuss your type. I will be able to tell you if you are ISFp or not, for one thing.
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    @ Ezra: I kinda have both, 7 and 5, but the "they may feel that they are capable of becoming a loose cannon, where if they let out all of their impulsive energy, they may sabotage themselves and lose everything that supports them" from wikipedia on 6w7 really clicks with me.
    6w7s are warmer than 6w5s. They're more friendly and approachable, and show affection very easily. 6w5s are generally more independent. They're often loners by comparison - they might not be interested in maintaining friends as such (this is practically crucial to the 6w7), but support is still important nonetheless. They're more technically-minded. Also, their fear, doubt and hesitation can be much more closely-guarded. While a 6w7 will no doubt have a council of their friends advising them what to wear, eat and do, a 6w5 can hide their true feelings much more skilfully. Fear on a 6w7 - counterphobic or phobic - will be in your face, while a 6w5 could look outwardly calm, and yet retain huge feelings of inner tension and anxiety (one of the reasons they are often mistaken for 8s).

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    Analysis of our discussoin:


    Sensory- logical ekstravert: LEADER
    Appearance SLE is very diverse. This type of personality is not always simple for visual diagnostics as type Eie. It is possible to isolate these common features:
    Cold, evaluating view, sufficiently tenacious, entire noticing, but with the light haze or the languishing eyes, which imparts to it at times the expression of innocence, romanticism or pensiveness. Smile SLE does not always correspond to the expression of eyes; therefore it can appear stretched. Most frequently it smiles on the specific occasion, but not in order to arrange to itself.
    Motions well coordinated, harmonious, although somewhat irregular can be. Gait usually is smooth, is confident, is flexible, "cat". It is noticeable that man cans himself tax, to emphasize the merits of its body. SLE knows how to easily bear its body, even having significant weight. It dresses, as a rule, with the taste, it loves expensive, rare things. Style on each day of business or sport.
    If in a good mood - it is weakened and oars. In the poor mood of lip they are compressed, view sullenly. Poses moderately flattened, gestures important-looking, willingly demonstrates force and confidence in itself. It is time it is impatient, with the unexpected drops in the mood: first it is impulsive and cuttings, then it is ironic and affectionate with the notes of intimacy in the voice.

    COORDINATOR
    Sensory subtype seems by person ingenious, impulsive, who conceals the concealed threat and by no means reasonable. In actuality it is sharp, sufficiently aggressive and persistent. It can be rancorous and it is sufficient to resourceful in order to make life of the svikh ill-wishers of that of simply not tolerated. Has a nature contrasting and unpredictable. With those, whom it loves, it is periodically is very affectionate and even it is sentimental. It possesses such feeling of humor, which easily passes into the sarcasm or the caustic irony. Is talkative, obayatelen, it is ingenious, critical and cuttings, it loves epithets and slang expressions. Its motions are elastic and rapid, gait only waddle, elbows are slightly bent with walking, which gives cat ingratiating tones to it. Is characteristic the evaluating view with light prishchurom. Usually it follows its health, it is periodically occupied by sport or gymnastics. It dresses dearly and with the taste. The bright impression of confident in itself, flourishing person usually is produced.

    ORGANIZER
    Logical subtype leaves the impression of calm force and confidence in itself. It is rational and sequential in the matters. It is industrious and hardy. It is usually cold-blooded, sustained and imperturbable, but into the minutes of irritation it does not hide its fury, which is manifested in the view and the sharp, categorical gestures. In the calm state it is polite, amiable, although it holds collocutor on a certain distance. Its humor of cuttings is rather rough. In it there is rapid, distrustful view from under the eyebrows. Form usually is serious, is alerted. Gait and gestures are harmonious, are smooth and are clear. Somewhat monotonous dresses, and it is strict, although with the times of unexpectedly thrust or it is extravagant. It values qualitative clothing, rarely creating ensembles from a few things. In the majority of the cases it has a tendency too not to be separated. This relates both to the behavior and to the clothing. It seems cold and inaccessible, although he tries to be correct, flat and benevolent. It is held with the merit.
    Which one of those do you identify with more, Dee?
    You strike me as a logical subtype of ESTp.


    Given what you said, I take back what I said about ethical - you just seem somewhat "professional", so to say. It will mostly depend on whether or not you really believe you are leading. Irrational you may be, and SF you do not seem like at all. It seems unlikely that you are NT either, or that you would be an ISFj or IJ in general ---- but that is mostly based on your description of yourself, and what you say about identifying with as a leading function.

    You did not strike me as ENTp, or alpha.


    It was unusual at first, because you did come off as ethical, but seems more like a formal sort of politeness - Fe appreciation perhaps.
    You do not strike me - in your words and topics of conversation - as an F type.
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
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    I disagree. I think Elro hit the mark when he suggested Fe - and he had a hell of a lot of quotes to back it up.

    dee strikes me as too friendly and peacefully-orientated to be an ESTp. He's quite averse to conflict, actually. Also, the aggression which (yes, even if one was an ESTp logical subtype, it would show through) is characteristic of the ESTp is completely lacking in dee.

    dee, how much do you relate to the behaviour of Beta quadra?

    http://wikisocion.org/~wikisoci/en/i...le=Beta_Quadra
    http://www.socionics.us/theory/quadras.shtml

    And also, what is more likely to you - ENFj or ESFj?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    Given what you said, I take back what I said about ethical - you just seem somewhat "professional", so to say.
    Ethical types can be professional if there is need for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I disagree. I think Elro hit the mark when he suggested Fe - and he had a hell of a lot of quotes to back it up.

    dee strikes me as too friendly and peacefully-orientated to be an ESTp. He's quite averse to conflict, actually. Also, the aggression which (yes, even if one was an ESTp logical subtype, it would show through) is characteristic of the ESTp is completely lacking in dee.
    That is what I was thinking, but he seems to be comfortable with leading, and EP temperment. He may be incorrect in his understanding though.

    I doubt an INFp would really associate with the EP temperment at all, and from what he communicated to me, he is not into making friends and such in a social way as a beta NF would be.

    Right now I would suggest that he is make sure he understand the difference between EP and IJ.


    My conversation with him was not nearly as personal or jolly as it was with ScarlettLux, for example (A clear beta NF, and likely INFp)
    Dee was polite, but in a reserved and professional, logical Ti sort of way. Ti > Te for sure.
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    Yes.

    You do not strike me as an ENFj or INFp.
    Have you considered ISTj?

    It seems unlikely that an ISTj would consider itself irrational, however, as you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    @ UDP III:

    I know a couple of ISTjs and I don't think at ALL I'm similar. They are much more sociable and they are not as worried in using their Se as I am. I'd usually euphemize it somehow, maybe through gentle approach or explanation, they - seem to just directly do it.
    Does that seem odd, though - you should be extremely confident in using your dominant function: that is why it is your dominant function.
    Or do you mean, you feel the ISTjs are not using it correctly? That they are not using it as well as you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    @ UDP III:

    For example, at the production line where I work, I want that a person further down the line goes and helps at the other machine while the missing person is in the washroom, because there is still space in the intermediate inventory. An ISTj would just come up and abruptly say: go there now or something or you do that machine now. As for me, I'd explain the situation and wait for understanding, agreement and action of going there. I would try to avoid being direct. But I think that doesn't contradict SeTi ego because Ti creative function (Ti - explanation) is an instrument of the leading function (Se - want the guy to take the position B) (in case of TiSe it would be Ti - the system must be like this now and Se - move the guy).
    ESTps are not much different from ISTjs in that regard. They don't feel the need for mutual "understanding", which an ethical type would. ESTps are just about the most direct type there is. My guess is that the difference between an ISTj and ESTp supervisor in that situation would be that an ESTp would issue the command, then quickly run off to do whatever he was in the middle of doing (EP temperament), whereas the ISTj would probably seem more focused on that particular problem, taking care of each problem one by one.

    Really, UDP, I don't see how Ti ego fits. My guess (self-justifying though it may be) is that in your conversation dee was adapting to the situation at hand, saw that you were expecting "professionalism", and so provided it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    I would try to avoid being direct. But I think that doesn't contradict SeTi ego
    ... I am not so sure about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    @ UDP III:

    For example, at the production line where I work, I want that a person further down the line goes and helps at the other machine while the missing person is in the washroom, because there is still space in the intermediate inventory. An ISTj would just come up and abruptly say: go there now or something or you do that machine now. As for me, I'd explain the situation and wait for understanding, agreement and action of going there. I would try to avoid being direct. But I think that doesn't contradict SeTi ego because Ti creative function (Ti - explanation) is an instrument of the leading function (Se - want the guy to take the position B) (in case of TiSe it would be Ti - the system must be like this now and Se - move the guy).
    ESTps are not much different from ISTjs in that regard. They don't feel the need for mutual "understanding", which an ethical type would. ESTps are just about the most direct type there is. My guess is that the difference between an ISTj and ESTp supervisor in that situation would be that an ESTp would issue the command, then quickly run off to do whatever he was in the middle of doing (EP temperament), whereas the ISTj would probably seem more focused on that particular problem, taking care of each problem one by one.

    Really, UDP, I don't see how Ti ego fits. My guess (self-justifying though it may be) is that in your conversation dee was adapting to the situation at hand, saw that you were expecting "professionalism", and so provided it.
    That may be possible.

    It seems like Dee is saying a great deal, but not being ..... completely upfront for some reason. Honestly, I have no real opinion of his type. He does not strike me as SF, but then again, I cannot tell his demeanor.


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    Alright.... how about this:


    Dee, explain why you think you are leading to us. Use real life examples.
    (Starting point)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    @ thehotelambush: And besides, you completely ignored what I said about creative function being an instrument of the leading and not the other way around as it is for ISTj.
    I was trying to be subtle. I think that's a misinterpretation.

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    @ thehotelambush: Also, I didn't mean I need a mutual understanding. It's just I feel it's better to achieve what I want through persuasion.
    Maybe "mutual understanding" is more Fi. Persuasion is more Fe.

    No ESTp (especially male) would ever describe himself as "gentle". Elro's list of quotes and your list of things you like both point very clearly to Fe, and in no way to Se.

    Quote Originally Posted by UDP
    Dee, explain why you think you are Extraverted Sensing leading to us. Use real life examples.
    Yes, please.

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    In this thread I am asking YOU guys what is my type, even though I am also participating in the discussion and trying to be fully objective. If you don't like it, then I cannot do anything about it.
    ..... that just does not sound right.


    Whatever. Have you done Expat's test?
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    DO THE FOLLOWING AFTER YOU RESPOND TO my Expat's test question


    [spoil:86d0b9a652]

    Alright, lets start taking away things.

    Dee, what do you ABSOLUTELY KNOW you are NOT. What type is MOST UNLIKE you, and why.[/spoil:86d0b9a652]
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    Dee, do you often/ever find that you have no idea what's going on in your head?
    elaborate on this, please

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    Your Expat test seems to imply a lot of . ...and, the two types that are most unlike you are both in Beta quadra, which seems unusual, if that is your home quadra. For example, it would be easy for me to say I am most unlike an ESFp, which is in my opposing quadra (and my direct opposite type). Perhaps you should reconsider being a Delta type.
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    Dee, can you elaborate some more on this for me?
    can you understand yourself fully? or do you feel that your inner world is way too complicated for that?

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    that makes you extraverted may be you are Hamlet? if you feel that beta is your quadra and you judge people according to how strong they are, which could be in the 6th block. what do you think of that?
    what makes you think that you are perceiving?
    what do you think, how stable moral laws are? how they differ among different historical settings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    @ UDP III:

    Well, it also may be stereotypes. The "wish" fits me about 60% I'd say.
    Then you need to do a lot better job in the information you are supplying. Why would you even consider presenting a 60% wish?
    What is the point of even submitting something like that, if you are only giving 60%?
    (60% seems like a terrible way to spend a wish)

    try again, and be 100%, if you can.
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    Aww, it's so cute -- dee and Ezra are perfect Duals =]


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    So you believe him to be INFp, ScarlettLux?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP
    So you believe him to be INFp, ScarlettLux?
    Yes, I do.


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