Yeah, I know it's not you - I mean that you have the same facial structure as the face depicted there.Originally Posted by dee
Anyway, how are your relations with ISFjs?
Yeah, I know it's not you - I mean that you have the same facial structure as the face depicted there.Originally Posted by dee
Anyway, how are your relations with ISFjs?
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You're right that you're different from the end of the nose downwards, yeah. Even though, the hair-cut seems to be similar, too - in the pics where you have your hair longer. But again the ENTj pic has the same haircut aswell, so it's not a good point where to leverage.
The girl looks ISFj to me. Some people might say ENFj, but I really cannot see it.
The one in the centre - IP of some kind.
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Mate, I'm playing up to it! You really think I'm like this in real life?Originally Posted by FDG
I don't care! You're annoying to me now, and that's all I'm thinking about, i was only speaking about your posts here
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Okay, sorry.
Peace?
Genuinely, I am sorry. I just don't appreciate people telling me how to run my life and my activities.
Geez I can't control your life from here and it'd be my least interest, i'm just telling you to behave less like an ass
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Yeah but in doing that you're telling me to jack in all my interests and do something every 'regular' 17-year-old would do. I mean, if it wasn't for your being in your early twenties, you'd tell me to fuck everything I like doing and go clubbing. Just keep that in mind - I don't want to club, I don't want to play football, I want to play with interesting and energising concepts.Originally Posted by FDG
I-AM-JOKING-YOU-CAN-DO-WHAT-YOU-WANT-ITS-JUST-A-FIGURE-OF-SPEECH-TO-MEAN-TO-TAKE-YOURSELF-LESS-SERIOUSLY. MMkay?Originally Posted by Ezra
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Taking myself less seriously is against my nature.Originally Posted by FDG
I swear you sound like UDP sometimes; this could just as easily be one of his quotes.Originally Posted by Ezra
Originally Posted by Logos
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Edited for gayness.
ENTp
*coughalphacough*Originally Posted by Ezra
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I like dee more than Ezra. At least he's got some background knowledge of what he's talking about and using others' knowledge/opinions to learn more about Socionics. It's surprising how dee gets along with Ezra so well -- that is a definite indication of at least being in the same quadra? It seems as if Ezra has pissed off just about everyone in this forum in one way or another.. but dee seems to like to cover for him in a way. ISFp and ENTp? I agree that they seem more Alpha than Beta now.
It's attributable to extroverted ethics. ENTj's role function.Originally Posted by dee
Originally Posted by Logos
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Fe creative, from wikisocion:
Fe dominant, from wikisocion:The person is sensitive to the emotional atmosphere around him, either from an individual, or a group, or even from inanimate objects such as the landscape, the state of the physical environment he happens to be in, or his own emotional associations with the place or people around him. A positive emotional atmophere is essential for his sense of well being and inner peace, and he either tries to promote it himself by directly influencing it around him, or by simply moving away from the environment or the people causing a negative emotional environment in his view. For the SEI, this takes an on-the-spot aspect and is reflected in cracking jokes, trying to make people laugh, or simply moving away from people he perceives as affecting him negatively. For the IEI, this takes a longer-term perspective; so the focus, rather than being on the immediate emotional environment, is on the perceived longer-term emotional state of others towards the individual, and is reflected in trying to be on good terms with those he interacts with or seeking distance or protection from, or "preventively" attacking, those he sees as irremediably hostile emotionally.
How do either of those fit?The individual is keenly aware of emotions being displayed around him and responds to them immediately, without particularly thinking about it:
* what people are passionate about
* excitement and liveliness
* agitation and irritation
* shock and amazement
* distress and gloominess
The individual perceives reality primarily through the prism of the external emotional atmosphere around him, mainly but not exclusively from the other people present. For instance, the "vibe" given off by a particular place, landscape, work of art, movie etc will also be registered as very significant for the individual.
The individual is inclined to take proactive action to steer that emotional environment in the direction he himself considers appropriate and agreeable in a given situation. Typical examples are: attempts to "liven up" the atmosphere with jokes if people are seen as unnecessarily gloomy or, conversely, to get people in a serious, work-like attitude if seen as inconveniently jolly during a crisis situation. External emotions are perceived by the individual as an accurate reflection of other people's inner state, since that generally applies to the individual himself.
Originally Posted by Logos
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OK, but could you humor me and bold what you agree with in my two quotes? That way it will be very clear how all four of the descriptions compare.
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*coughnocough*Originally Posted by diamond8
Maybe dee's not a cretin. Maybe dee a) knows I take the piss and b) has patience and is willing to help me.Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
didn't read thread. impression: beta-- enfj or estp.
asd
I like that.Originally Posted by dee
I agree.
dee, have you read about the quadras? Expat wrote some very good quality stuff at Wikisocion. Here:
http://wikisocion.org/~wikisoci/en/i...?title=Quadras
It may help you to size down your choices as it did me.
oh, thank you dee, but i'll be foregoing that option. Although i am sure it would be a great pleasure.
asd
Yes. It's amazing that someone can be described so accurately and yet typed so poorly.Originally Posted by Elro
Really? I thought the Wikisocion ones were more expanded than on Rick's site. I still found his stuff very good though. We're lucky to have a link like him.Originally Posted by dee
He's called heath.Originally Posted by dee
I've done this a few times in my head. Not so much concerning threads but things like "right, forget socionics, it's getting me nowhere". Then later coming back and thinking "wait, I can find my perfect match through it". Or I'll decide on a type, and then think about it for 10 - 15 minutes, and suddenly realise I'm something different. Then I'll change back.Originally Posted by dee
The tactic I use to stop it is to refrain from saying anything. That way, if you know you may change in the near future, it won't matter - no one knows or cares what you think - it's what you say (especially on this forum).
For the record, I wrote those two descriptions; the whole of the creative bit and most of the dominant bit (excepting the bullet-point parts), with Rick and other contributors checking.Originally Posted by dee
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Just for explanation -- everything in socionics.us, as far as I know, has been written by Rick himself.Originally Posted by Ezra
In the wikisocion, the descriptions are the result of collaboration and mutual correction. Rick has written a lot himself, so have I and others, but Rick does comment on what he thinks is clearly wrong.
So, if I may say so, if you are going to use bits of Wikisocion as reference, you might well listen a bit to those who have written it
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Expat, I don't know where you've got this idea from that I don't listen to you! I truly do! You're probably one of the few people I take utterly seriously! I do look up to you as a good teacher of socionics.Originally Posted by Expat
Ok thanks.Originally Posted by Ezra
On dee's type:
INFp or ISFp, as was my first impression but I have seen nothing to contradict it, with INFp more likely.
The thing that seems clear is a lot of emotion-creating behavior coupled with Fe, and cre-Fe specifically.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
You know how you say ESTps are more crazy and fun than ENTps? I don't see how that works. The Ne of the ENTp makes them by nature crazier. ESTps, by contrast, I'd say were more boring than ENTps. They're also more combative. If you're an ENTp, you probably have a more friendly, less confrontational character. ESTps are more methodical and systematic - ENTps jump around in their heads a lot more. I think the fun you have with either depends on the situation and your own preferences. I'd say talking about films and music while listening to music is more fun than clubbing and partying and dancing like an ESTp would prefer.Originally Posted by dee
Join the club. It won't happen for a while though. Just be glad in the knowledge that we're a part of something that's beginning to take shape. We're like the forerunners of socionics, everyone on this forum. In maybe a decade or two, it will be more evolved, and it'll look good.Originally Posted by dee
entp's can be intellectually aggressive though and in their heads. estp's can be more down to earth and sensual and practical. which type is preferred? depends on the kind of relationship and the situation....
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I don't know why people make clubbing and watching films to be perfect subsitutes. Therea are 365 nights in a year, duh.
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Yeah, but I'm talking about the kind of aggression that is very direct and not about debate and argument but about "I'm right goddamnit, do this, do that, I command you to" etc.Originally Posted by diamond8
They'd prefer 'doing' activities over thinking and talking.Originally Posted by dee
dee, what are your options at the moment? How many types are you roughly considering, and how many aren't even worth bothering with?
If those are your top 3, you have much to understand about socionics. Keep going.Originally Posted by dee
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
The problem with that selection is that ENTp and ISFj are conflictors. If you rank ENTp and ISFj so closely, you might as well say that you could be any type in between that is, any type.Originally Posted by dee
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
OK, I started reading ... then skimming ... up to page 3 ... and saw the initial pix. Feeling lazy now ...
My guess is ISFp. At least, Si > Ni dom seems more likely. You seem to bash ISTps, yet you might even be one. (The 16 types cover a *wide* variety of people, after all ...)
As for the Renin dichomoties - and esp. typing by them - I am not (yet?) a believer; and so, wouldn't worry about discrepancies in that arena.
dee, do you have any more expressive photos of yourself, especially ones that aren't so cropped?
The probability of you being an ISTp seems greater than ISFj or INTj - especially if you can identify with both, to some degree.Originally Posted by dee
Fe PoLR? I kinda doubt it... The only thing that seems incredibly clear to me is Fe ego. Though really the probability of any of those three types seems somewhat low.Originally Posted by astralsilky
Originally Posted by Logos
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