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    SLEs are surprisingly non-whoreish! Even if it initially seems that they will fuck anything that moves...
    SLEs are not whorish -- that's a theme more related to a gluttony and thirst for experience typical of / valuing types.
    so it's atypical for se base types to have a thirst for experience? you have got to be kidding me; you are referring to enneagram 7s here in which sle's fall under.
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
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    SLEs are not whorish -- that's a theme more related to a gluttony and thirst for experience typical of / valuing types.
    so it's atypical for se base types to have a thirst for experience? you have got to be kidding me; you are referring to enneagram 7s here in which sle's fall under.
    no certainly it's not atypical for SLE to have a thirst for experience. I know an SLE 7w8 who is ALL about experience. But he keeps his dick in his pants.

    GEESH. There are such things as standards, people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
    so it's atypical for se base types to have a thirst for experience? you have got to be kidding me; you are referring to enneagram 7s here in which sle's fall under.
    SLE 7s enjoy challenges, thrills, competition, as opposed to experience for the sake of experience -- BASE jumping, beating a mountain, winning an endurance race, that kind of shit. Being masters over the elements.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
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    so it's atypical for se base types to have a thirst for experience? you have got to be kidding me; you are referring to enneagram 7s here in which sle's fall under.
    SLE 7s enjoy challenges, thrills, competition, as opposed to experience for the sake of experience -- BASE jumping, beating a mountain, winning an endurance race, that kind of shit. Being masters over the elements.

    Disagree, I know a bunch of SLE's who like to do things just for the experience, of which have blatantly said so before jumping into something.

    Anyhow, promiscuity is not type related, but there are certain elements that point someone towards that direction, so there is an extent to which it can be correlated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
    Disagree, I know a bunch of SLE's who like to do things just for the experience, of which have blatantly said so before jumping into something.
    Assuming they're SLE, rather than C-ESE or C-ILE.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I finally broke it off. Probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do. I just hope I don't live to regret it because what we had was pretty amazing. I seemed to handle my emotions far better than he did. I emotionally prepared myself well & made sure to cater to his feelings. It was the most heartbreaking thing I've ever had to witness. Just as I feared, he lost it. I've never seen a grown man cry so much... it was hard to keep my composure. What makes things worse is that he won't stop calling me. I'm considering blocking his number.

    I just can't get over those conflicted feelings that kept eating away at me. I can't really see a future with him. He's not 100% healed from his past. I know what he's capable of & I can't risk being with someone who will possibly walk out on me. It's better to end things right now then 10 years down the road with the possibility of kids. I'm also not emotionally or financially ready for that level of commitment (I guess that's the woes of being with an older man). I feel like I've saved myself from a lot of grief. It's kind of ironic because the reason why I broke it off is one of the same reasons why he got a divorce. There was a bleak future to be seen. I guess this is karma for you.

    I've learned a lot from this relationship. Duality is amazing but the circumstances have to be right for it to work, as they do with any healthy relationship. Both people have to be open, ready & trusting. In our case it was a mixture of bad timing & my inability to trust what he may do in the future. It's sad that it had to happen this way. He treated me so well & helped me so much. I've lost my best friend.
    Hope everything works out for you in the end.

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    I think your decision is retarded. Commitment develops over time. Expecting an unwavering commitment at the start is neurotic, and only happens in the most lifeless relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I'm also not emotionally or financially ready for that level of commitment (I guess that's the woes of being with an older man). I feel like I've saved myself from a lot of grief. It's kind of ironic because the reason why I broke it off is one of the same reasons why he got a divorce. There was a bleak future to be seen. I guess this is karma for you.

    In our case it was a mixture of bad timing & my inability to trust what he may do in the future. It's sad that it had to happen this way. He treated me so well & helped me so much. I've lost my best friend.
    I think you made the right decision, in my experience, trust is either there or it isn't. You can't do much to change that feeling. When I decided to part ways with my dual it was for the same reason...fast forward to 1 year later after everything ended and he has just proposed to a woman after 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I finally broke it off. Probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do. I just hope I don't live to regret it because what we had was pretty amazing. I seemed to handle my emotions far better than he did. I emotionally prepared myself well & made sure to cater to his feelings. It was the most heartbreaking thing I've ever had to witness. Just as I feared, he lost it. I've never seen a grown man cry so much... it was hard to keep my composure. What makes things worse is that he won't stop calling me. I'm considering blocking his number.

    I just can't get over those conflicted feelings that kept eating away at me. I can't really see a future with him. He's not 100% healed from his past. I know what he's capable of & I can't risk being with someone who will possibly walk out on me. It's better to end things right now then 10 years down the road with the possibility of kids. I'm also not emotionally or financially ready for that level of commitment (I guess that's the woes of being with an older man). I feel like I've saved myself from a lot of grief. It's kind of ironic because the reason why I broke it off is one of the same reasons why he got a divorce. There was a bleak future to be seen. I guess this is karma for you.

    I've learned a lot from this relationship. Duality is amazing but the circumstances have to be right for it to work, as they do with any healthy relationship. Both people have to be open, ready & trusting. In our case it was a mixture of bad timing & my inability to trust what he may do in the future. It's sad that it had to happen this way. He treated me so well & helped me so much. I've lost my best friend.
    I hope you dont mind me commenting as you have posted here i hope not and its (a strangers) genuine concern. My view is you run the risk with any person you are with that they may possibly walk out on you there are no guarantees but if you find someone amazing then it must be worth the risk of what's the point? If your not ready for a commitment that's a different story.... but if its because you are scared he will leave you i think you're nuts for breaking it off. Great relationships are very hard to find is my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    That's not the only reason. I also feel like he needs to sort himself out before we jump into anything. We were moving way too fast. He hasn't had any time whatsoever to mourn his ex (whom he still loves, even though he ended it) & that adds strain to any relationship. I love him & I felt like I needed to let him go to give him space & find himself. I told him that if we're truly meant to be then we will meet again at some point in time.

    It hurts like hell, but I know I'm doing the right thing.
    Ok....relationships are complicated...as others have said you are the best person to judge what to do.

    I split up with someone i was madly in love with years ago and it was the hardest thing i had to do. He didn't treat me very well and he was bad for me so it had to be done.

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    awwww... starfall, I'm sorry. Only you can say if it was right or not. But I do believe that trust can be built and that just because he left his wife, doesn't mean he will leave every other woman he's with. He needs to be forgiven for his past mistakes and loved for the failed person he is (and we all fail in some ways). You're young though and you deserve a chance at being with someone without a history like that. I can understand. Still, I feel bad for him.
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    My only union is with god.

    Yeah the chastity armor is mine to be hold high !

    To bad i lost my boyhood to a damned wrench, but there is always land ahead to be seen. Love is only for death to do it apart. And for us to learn that no person no matter how good is the goal. They serve only as reflections of our own nature in the bigger scheme of things. Holding on to relationship is being weak dumbling needing some caredom and love.

    Its okay people Your loves and Your Fears will come and go.

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