Jim Carrey

[Galen]

Well any human being even an dominant has enough control over what they do, they have a conscience. Any type would be in trouble if they didn't.

This. I feel like a lot of people see being "impulsive" as being irresponsible and reckless. Even hunger can be seen as an impulse, and from what I've heard/observed that's how valuers understand it to be. Things that are seen by valuers as "sensations" are more seen as impulses through an lens, like hunger or sleep or w/e.

[Marie84]

ESE? Not a strong typing, but he seems way too skilled at emotional demonstration to have weak Fe IMO

[krieger]

More of an ENFj, imo. ESFj are more conventional than him. He like to take things to extremes and gravitates towards novelty. People like Tom Cruise and George Clooney are quite boring compared to him.

[717495]

Eh, he's not really strong though, he's just wild and animated. That's his thing. He's a lot more typical of dominants and their naturally wild, impulsive, sanguine temperament, and just because he's hilarious at doing impressions and forcing out crazy emotions for humorous affect doesn't mean he should automatically be some dominant. Most almost all dominants don't do that kind of stuff anyway, it's not strong evidence to base the impression on that.

[krieger]

The actions of ESTp are more purposeful than his. It's rare for ESTps to do things solely for the sake of getting a reaction out of people. He does it all the time. This guy is basically nowhere without an audience. Put him on a cowboy ranch where any real ESTp would thrive and he would just wither away from the lack of attention.

[Ave]

I say Fe-ENFj also strictly based on VI.

Plus I agree with what Labcoat said about his comparison to him and Clooney and Cruise.

[Beautiful sky]

ISTp

[Logos]

ISTp

I don't think I will ever be able to take you seriously.

[Rubicon]

I would irritate the hell out of this guy because I'd totally not react. Maybe I'd slap him after awhile or something. Gah that guy's facial expressions are annoying.

[jason_m]

I was waiting for someone to say ILE, but I am pleased to see that my fears did not come to fruition. lol. My vote is for EIE. There is even a trend here: a lot of people think ESE, SLE, and EIE. Clearly Fe-valuing and probably Beta, also a lot of votes for Fe-leading. This points toward EIE, which fits with my intuitions of his personality...

jason_m

[Krig the Viking]

I think he's EIE. What convinced me was not so much his stage persona -- which is very clearly a persona, not his core self -- but his more relaxed, natural interviews, especially with Charlie Rose, who seems to have a knack for drawing out the "real person" within.

Charlie Rose - An hour with actor Jim Carrey

If you watch the video, you'll notice that he very rarely expresses anything Si -- it's all big-picture, abstract ideas. Contrast him with a real ESE, Robin Williams, who tends more towards relating specific stories that happened to him, with many sound effects and references to how things look, feel, smell, sound, etc.

[krieger]

I was waiting for someone to say ILE

Yeah, I thought he was ENTp years ago when I had virtually no experience with the theory. I was surprised the typing hadn't been suggested yet.

[Park]

Jim Carrey is cool. And extremely good at what he does.

[Galen]

Jim Carrey is cool. And extremely good at what he does.

He is a really great actor, I've loved much of his work.

I should watch The Truman Show again lol.

[Krig the Viking]

I have a feeling Charlie Rose is LII, making him semi-duality with Mr. Carrey.

[Suz]

I was going to say Fe-HA just based on his obnoxious grimacing facial emoting in a lot of his movies, but I haven't watched his interviews (i'll watch the one above later, can't access it at work). Honestly I dont enjoy watching his movies because of that stupid over the top grimacing. I enjoyed the Truman Show though, where he was a little more serious.


(maritsa, SLI???? REALLY??? Have you ever seen a Jean Gabin movie??)

[ashlesha]

Honestly I dont enjoy watching his movies because of that stupid over the top grimacing. I enjoyed the Truman Show a bit more, where he was a little more serious.

lol same.



^ just no.

[Suz]

lol same.



^ just no.

AAAAA!!! MY EYES!!

lol

[Park]

This one was pretty awesome, too.

[3RainbowSprinkles]

I don't know why everyone is so SHOCKED by maritsa's suggestion. There are a lot of signs that point to the fact that Jim Carey is an ISTP. First of all he's a comedian..and he's hilarious. There are other ISTP comedians out there like conan obrien and stephen colbert. They're all kinda crazy in their own way.

Not to mention he REEKS of ISTP in his movies...Me myself and Irene hes the grumpy guy with the ditsy ENFP girl. Fun with Dick and Jane he's the depressed ISTP with the giddy go for it ENFP wife. In my opinion it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

ESTP?? James Bond is an ESTP...Jim Carey dosent really say suave womanizer to me.

Stop picking on Maritsa...maybe your not taking her seriously enough.

[Logos]

I don't know why everyone is so SHOCKED by maritsa's suggestion. There are a lot of signs that point to the fact that Jim Carey is an ISTP. First of all he's a comedian..and he's hilarious. There are other ISTP comedians out there like conan obrien and stephen colbert. They're all kinda crazy in their own way.

Not to mention he REEKS of ISTP in his movies...Me myself and Irene hes the grumpy guy with the ditsy ENFP girl. Fun with Dick and Jane he's the depressed ISTP with the giddy go for it ENFP wife. In my opinion it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

ESTP?? James Bond is an ESTP...Jim Carey dosent really say suave womanizer to me.

Stop picking on Maritsa...maybe your not taking her seriously enough.

Congratulations. Now there are two people whose opinions I will be unable to take seriously from henceforth.

[xerx]

I don't know why everyone is so SHOCKED by maritsa's suggestion. There are a lot of signs that point to the fact that Jim Carey is an ISTP. First of all he's a comedian..and he's hilarious. There are other ISTP comedians out there like conan obrien and stephen colbert. They're all kinda crazy in their own way.

Not to mention he REEKS of ISTP in his movies...Me myself and Irene hes the grumpy guy with the ditsy ENFP girl. Fun with Dick and Jane he's the depressed ISTP with the giddy go for it ENFP wife. In my opinion it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

ESTP?? James Bond is an ESTP...Jim Carey dosent really say suave womanizer to me.

Stop picking on Maritsa...maybe your not taking her seriously enough.

What makes you think Irene is ENFp?

[Suz]

I don't know why everyone is so SHOCKED by maritsa's suggestion. There are a lot of signs that point to the fact that Jim Carey is an ISTP. First of all he's a comedian..and he's hilarious. There are other ISTP comedians out there like conan obrien and stephen colbert. They're all kinda crazy in their own way.

Not to mention he REEKS of ISTP in his movies...Me myself and Irene hes the grumpy guy with the ditsy ENFP girl. Fun with Dick and Jane he's the depressed ISTP with the giddy go for it ENFP wife. In my opinion it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

ESTP?? James Bond is an ESTP...Jim Carey dosent really say suave womanizer to me.

Stop picking on Maritsa...maybe your not taking her seriously enough.

Correction: Conan is NOT ISTp, he's ENTp. Are you going by MBTI or socionics with your typings??? Either way ISTp or ISTP do not fit Conan in the least. I can't comment on steve colbert as i've never watched his show and dont have time to watch a video right now. David Letterman is ISTp, and shows nothing even close to Jim Carrey's mannerisms or facial expressions.

I have interacted with an ISTp entertainer in person as well, and known some jokey ISTps, heck yeah they can be funny as hell but their humor is conveyed almost 100% through what they say, said dryly, with a straight face, and maybe one might see a little tiny inkling of a smile. Jim Carrey is the opposite--he doesn't say anything funny, he tries to make people laugh with the WAY he says things (in an Fe way). Sounds very Fe-HA to me. So imo ENTp or ESTp for him. Conan can say funny things, but mostly relies on Fe to be funny as well in a similar kind of way.

p.s. i find neither Jim Carrey nor Conan O'Brien hilarious.

[Absurd]

Congratulations. Now there are two people whose opinions I will be unable to take seriously from henceforth.

If I were Robespierre, I would decapitate them.

[3RainbowSprinkles]

ugh..this place is so whack. so negative and unable to open their minds. not everything is black and white, people.

and im sticking with my guns. how the hell can jim carey be XNTX? NTs would probably be trying to do some witty humor which i would find boring. something like that comedian Demitri Martin. BORING.

whatever I won't bother any of these one track mind conversations anymore. good riddens for you you guys right?! And I didn't realize when reading everything that socionics had online here meant any person here was an "expert". First of all the readings were translated from Russian--there could be cultural undertones missed. And its TRANSLATED so there could be information missing...and none of it is actually legit until there is some kind of research apparent..official research with numbers and test subjects. JESUSSS CHRIST.

Where are all the sweet hearts that made me start coming to this site?

[krieger]

Here's what an ESTp actor looks like... There's just always much less personal charm emanating from them. They have a bit of a tendency to "bark" out statements. Their faces are relatively inexpressive.



(the dialogue in the above is not very ESTp-ish, so don't base your typing on that)



Please tell me you don't think that looks anything like Jim Carrey.

[Suz]

ugh..this place is so whack. so negative and unable to open their minds. not everything is black and white, people.

and im sticking with my guns. how the hell can jim carey be XNTX? NTs would probably be trying to do some witty humor which i would find boring. something like that comedian Demitri Martin. BORING.

whatever I won't bother any of these one track mind conversations anymore. good riddens for you you guys right?! And I didn't realize when reading everything that socionics had online here meant any person here was an "expert". First of all the readings were translated from Russian--there could be cultural undertones missed. And its TRANSLATED so there could be information missing...and none of it is actually legit until there is some kind of research apparent..official research with numbers and test subjects. JESUSSS CHRIST.

Where are all the sweet hearts that made me start coming to this site?

Well I mean in this in the friendliest possible way because I know you're a friendly person and I enjoy reading your posts, however it sounds to me like you're the one being closed-minded and having a one-track mind.

Speaking for myself, I was going by the type descriptions only when i was a newb and true I agree the descriptions are not very helpful in defining a type. since then, my understanding of socionics has come a long way (due to my remaining open-minded) and though my understanding is still not complete imo, it is a lot better than when i first started and was going by the descriptions. A lot of socionics understanding, I feel at least for me perhaps in the way I process info, comes from developing a gestalt feeling for how each of the IEs manifest in each of the different positions. Since starting out here, my perception of many of the types has changed about 3-4 times, and i'm constantly honing this. Maybe you should too.

with my current understanding of Fe, I must say Jim Carry displays an OBNOXIOUS amount of it, in particular displaying a high value for Fe in conveying his ability to act. Except it's not good Fe like an ESE or EIE would convey. It's terrible Fe. I'd say Conan is similar.

An SLI would also possibly show some terrible Fe, but would not place so much value in Fe for his acting/comedy.

Oh and i watched some clips of Steve Colbert. Yes SLI for sure, I agree. But are you really putting Conan and Jim Carrey in the same category of humor as Steve Colbert?? He barely shows any Fe.

and im sticking with my guns. how the hell can jim carey be XNTX? NTs would probably be trying to do some witty humor which i would find boring. something like that comedian Demitri Martin. BORING.

Your conception is incorrect. ENTp's are among the goofiest types in the socion.

[marooned]

I've thought he was leading for a long time. I might watch the Charlie Rose interview on a different computer later. Anyway if he's HA his HA is burning a hole right through his ego functions, utterly obliterating them. I think I've seen him in at least one more serious role a long time ago and I know he doesn't have to act all over-the-top obnoxious (I'm not really counting The Truman Show because although it was a more serious portrayal of a character for him, he still did a lot of the awkward obnoxious face-making). I sort of have the impression that he is purposefully over-the-top, obnoxious and awkward to create that cringing feeling (and although it's not saying much it does kind of make me wonder about EIE over ESE--I think I thought he was ESE for a while). But anyway I think that he can't stop himself from the spontaneous face-making and outward animation and enacting of things and is capable (even if he doesn't do it so much) of a very diverse range and yes, probably likes getting reactions out of people.

[Logos]

If I were Robespierre, I would decapitate them.

If I were Robespierre, I would be dead.

ugh..this place is so whack. so negative and unable to open their minds. not everything is black and white, people.

No one is ascribing to a Manichean mindset here.

and im sticking with my guns. how the hell can jim carey be XNTX? NTs would probably be trying to do some witty humor which i would find boring. something like that comedian Demitri Martin. BORING.

*looks around* Who's saying Jim Carrey is an NT? Furthermore, what guns?

whatever I won't bother any of these one track mind conversations anymore. good riddens for you you guys right?! And I didn't realize when reading everything that socionics had online here meant any person here was an "expert". First of all the readings were translated from Russian--there could be cultural undertones missed. And its TRANSLATED so there could be information missing...and none of it is actually legit until there is some kind of research apparent..official research with numbers and test subjects. JESUSSS CHRIST.

Where are all the sweet hearts that made me start coming to this site?

Did you come here for sweet hearts or to discuss Socionics?

[Rubicon]

Seriously! ENFJ? In what way is he NATURAL? ENFJs are supposedly ACTORS.

To be fair, I don't think he's usually trying to be natural. lol He looks 'natural' enough in his serious roles.



(from 7:00) - doesn't look very Si-valuing :-p ... re ESE vs EIE .. looks like Letterman's kind of half-tolerating him towards the end

[Suz]

Did you come here for sweet hearts or to discuss Socionics?

zactly!

I was going to say, to be a sweetheart does that mean we all have to agree with each other all the time? What's the fun in that?

Furthermore, what's the point of just agreeing? If people dont agree wouldn't one rather know and why?

[Satan]

zactly!

I was going to say, to be a sweetheart does that mean we all have to agree with each other all the time? What's the fun in that?

Furthermore, what's the point of just agreeing? If people dont agree wouldn't one rather know and why?

what's the point of talking if you're just gonig to question everything

[Suz]

what's the point of talking if you're just gonig to question everything

The point of talking in a discussion such as this is to lay what's in your mind out on the table and see if people agree or not. If people agree then what you were thinking might be right. If people disagree, then you might be wrong and thus if it were I sharing my thoughts, I would want to know why people disagree and whether i should change the way i think about things. In other words, talking and questioning and discussion would hopefully lead to a consensus of a relatively accurate final conclusion.

The point of talking is also to show your thoughts for the potential education of those who want to learn.

[Satan]

The point of talking in a discussion such as this is to lay what's in your mind out on the table and see if people agree or not. If people agree then what you were thinking might be right. If people disagree, then you might be wrong and thus if it were I sharing my thoughts, I would want to know why people disagree and whether i should change the way i think about things. In other words, talking and questioning and discussion would hopefully lead to a consensus of a relatively accurate final conclusion.

The point of talking is also to show your thoughts for the potential education of those who want to learn.

it was rhetorical.

[Suz]

it was rhetorical.

Too bad. I had an answer.

[Satan]

Too bad. I had an answer.

I think you'll find that you're expecting other people to speak as you would, but people like you won't have any more answers than you.

[Suz]

I think you'll find that you're expecting other people to speak as you would, but people like you won't have any more answers than you.

That's actually very well said mercutio. And a sort of disappointing thought.

[Blaze]

The actions of ESTp are more purposeful than his. It's rare for ESTps to do things solely for the sake of getting a reaction out of people. He does it all the time. This guy is basically nowhere without an audience. Put him on a cowboy ranch where any real ESTp would thrive and he would just wither away from the lack of attention.

agree. which is why to me he is a classic ILE.

[krieger]

agree. which is why to me he is a classic ILE.

Maybe. That would be my second choice typing. Like I said, I used to instinctively see him as that type. Over the years I've begun to see ENTps as less social and less naturally affectionate than him, though. Stereotypically put, they're nerds like any other NT type, just talkative and active ones. The argument about purposefulness of actions is also more of an argument for ExTp than for ESxp in my opinion, so I do think it would also apply to ENTps to a large extent.

Basically, in the scenario of a "cowboy ranch" I would expect the ENTp to get sort of excited about the tasks put before him and to try to figure them out by thinking about them and trying things out, despite not enjoying the physical action as much as an ESTp would.

[Krig the Viking]

One of the biggest things to keep in mind with Jim Carrey is that his whole "crazy man" face-pulling act is just a persona. It's not the real him. If you watch the interview with Charlie Rose, he talks about how when he was young, he saw it as his "job" to cheer his mom up, who was ill and depressed. He put on this act in order to do that, and just kept doing it. It's like a mask that he's worn for so long, it's almost become a part of him. But it's definitely not the "real him". The real Jim Carrey is the one you see talking to Charlie Rose in that interview, or in other more serious interviews.