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    All the way to the other side of the country just to catsit for you.

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    You know of his condition to you, right? It is very serious. I am not lucky, my cat is.
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    yes yes. I know.

    by the way Uey, your cat is sooo cute!
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    Default Re: When is it ok to lie?

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Because lying is contradicting the Truth.

    God and the Truth is the same thing.
    If God and the Truth is the same thing, there is no truth since there is no God. And therefore I am always lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Because lying is contradicting the Truth.

    God and the Truth is the same thing.
    If God and the Truth is the same thing, there is no truth since there is no God. And therefore I am always lying.
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    Default Re: When is it ok to lie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Because lying is contradicting the Truth.

    God and the Truth is the same thing.
    If God and the Truth is the same thing, there is no truth since there is no God. And therefore I am always lying.
    It could be argued the reverse, that is since there is truth there is God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enjio
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    that's not true. you're forgetting about wave-particle duality.

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    It's almost never acceptable to lie. I haven't yet been in a situation where it would've been acceptable.
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    I suppose if an individual is in a situation where lying is expected, such as a game of poker, then I do not think that person does not harm anyone or one's self.

    Obviously being honest is the most moral way of dealing with other people, but in my view, being honest is beneficial to the self.

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    anybody that suggests that lying is in and of itself immoral and reprehensible is a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    anybody that suggests that lying is in and of itself immoral and reprehensible is a fool.
    What if they do not suggest, but merely just explicitly and blatantly say it?
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    I have lied for the sake of humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    I have lied for the sake of humor.
    In which case, you have affronted the Truth of God! Lying for the sake of humor, is still lying and therefore sinful and morally apprehensible! Off to confession with you!
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    I confess my sins freely. There is nothing to hide.


    Although this does remind me of a very good quote from the scriptures from memorial day weekend:
    "Whatever sins you forgive in others, they will be forgiven against you. Whatever sins you hold against others, they will be held against you".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    anybody that suggests that lying is in and of itself immoral and reprehensible is a fool.
    What if they do not suggest, but merely just explicitly and blatantly say it?
    explicitly saying it effectively suggests the idea.

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    What if it is necessary to lie to tell the truth?
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    What if it is necessary to lie to tell the truth?
    is that directed at me?

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    It's not directed at anybody.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    What if it is necessary to lie to tell the truth?
    Can you give an example?
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro
    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    What if it is necessary to lie to tell the truth?
    Can you give an example?
    An alien comes to the planet earth and says, "If you do not lie to me, I will destroy the planet."
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    To lie to tell the truth may be to simply convince someone they appear a certain way in order to actually convince them that they're valuable. To state something explicitly that is false in order to imply something that is true...art often does this.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    Lies exist because we need them. And, like everything, they have potential for both good and evil.

    An important thing to keep in mind when lying is time. If a lie can't be reverted/forgotten after a short time, then there is a hint that it's something one shouldn't lie about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Elro
    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    What if it is necessary to lie to tell the truth?
    Can you give an example?
    An alien comes to the planet earth and says, "If you do not lie to me, I will destroy the planet."
    something tells me an alien may have an alien concept of what it means to lie, and therefore cannot be trusted.
    whenever the dog and i see each other we both stop where we are. we regard each other with a mixture of sadness and suspicion and then we feign indifference.

    Jerry, The Zoo Story by Edward Albee

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