I also get very frustrated and irritated when someone presumes to tell me what feelings or facial expressions I should be expressing. (Usually an Fe ego type) If someone exerts to much emotional pressure I slip away when no one's looking, or death stare them down then storm off, or explode into a hyper-rational condescending analysis of their views and character until decimated every shred of dignity, pride and self worth depending on who I'm talking to and the circumstances. Hopefully this give everyone an idea what it like having Fe PoLR at least from an ILI's perspective.
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
@Phantom Shadow
I don´t get what you are saying. Emotional pressure? What do you mean with emotional pressure? And do you seriously believe you could conquer an ethical type with logic?
My Definition:
Emotional Pressure is when someone expects or wants you to feel or express an emotion(s) your not feeling. They use guilt, shame, and self righteous rage to try change your ethical position; emotional and/or ethical intimidation to convert you to the ""Greater Good""
Essentially Fi versus Fe
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
I KNOW that any and all conclusions adopted by someone out of necessity or convenience will ring hollow in meaning and value if they lack the knowledge, wisdom, and experience to comprehend the answer. The solution is meaningless if you do not understand the process in which it was derived from and how it connects to the bigger picture.
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
@Phantom Shadow Do you plan to address my question?
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
It did not appear to actually address my question in any way (and still does not), so I assumed you meant it for someone else.
Nor does this.Its not a question of can you do it, its a question of should you do it. And what are the consequences and repercussions of those choices? Is it best way to resolve the situation?
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
It is patently true that aid isn't useless. Actually, there are quite a lot of examples of people being so impoverished and near death that humanitarian aid, versus developmental aid WAS crucial for them. While I, too, champion independence and respect for individuals, that doesn't change the fact that some humans are currently on death's door and that WE are their resources in what are to us small ways but mean their continued existence to them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_aid versus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_aid
http://us.macmillan.com/thehistoryan...BronwenEverill
if they are correct about corruption in leaders, I'd like to stress that this is not due to something inherent about Africans but perhaps IS influenced by social dynamics in place: http://www.how-matters.org/2011/04/2...n-colonialism/
Why did you do such a thing? Such kindnesses will mean nothing, his path is set. Giving him what he has not earned is like pouring sand into his hands. :::: And would that be a kindness? What if by surviving another day, he brings a greater darkness upon another? :::: The Force binds all things. The slightest push, the smallest touch, sends echoes throughout life. :::: Even an act of kindness may have more severe repercussions than you know or can see. :::: By giving him something he has not earned, perhaps all you have helped him become is a target. Seeing another elevated often brings the eyes of others who suffer. And perhaps in the end, all you have wrought is more pain. :::: And that is my lesson to you. Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clenched fist.
-Kotor 2 Kreia
"The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions."
"No good deed goes unpunished; No evil deed goes unrewarded."
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
How would you answer the claim that by aiding the survival of people in a starvation situation due to environmental locale by feeding them actually makes the problem worse unless you can implement a way for them to feed themselves? Because those people, should they survive, are going to have kids. And then we have to feed them too. And their kids. And so on.
It must be easy of you to have such an opinion, especially since you most likely grew up and now live in an affluent first world country with basic human rights, shelter, food, safety. I would love for you to reread your post when your own life suddenly takes a turn for the worst
That's a rather ironic, hypocritical, and paradoxical thing of you to say. Your implying that I would not be able to hold such beliefs if I were in a similar situation, due to the fact that I may have been spoiled by the luxuries, and the kindnesses of modern society. Yet here you are offering that very same thing to them. It is only through the contrast of experiencing conflicts, pain, suffering, and strife that one learns to appreciate the gifts of life. Why do wish to rob them of this?
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MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
I was just winding you up bud.
If I lack something.... Why would I put myself in a position where I would need it?
Man grows used to everything, the scoundrel!
-Raskolnikov
try something like murder, but without even being aware of it happening.
I'm not trying to be rude. I'm saying that it suggests that you may have brain damage and are incapable of learning ...
Man grows used to everything, the scoundrel!
-Raskolnikov
WHY DID YOU MAKE OPRAH MY MIRROR.
Wow, I didn't know hugh grant was an ILI. That seems like a pretty spot on typing for him and a good find.
I offended my wife today with a sarcastic remark that was meant to be funny and instructive. I cannot seem to help it. We were coming up with ideas for remodeling the house and once I have an idea that fits it seems to be the only idea I want to pursue. I'm unfortunately too dismissive of other people's ideas once I form my own. It is best to separate my analytical abilities from my personal life.
Well, I suggested that we remove a bad section of the house and she later stood in the room that I suggested tearing down and she said after we tore it down that we should build a mud room with a door and a stairwell, and I said, "You mean we should just leave it the way it is."
It was suppose to be funny dammit! hehe.....oh well, you win some, you lose some.
I think this is an example of fe Polr.
This isn't how I see Fe types try to enforce Fe most often. In the vast majority of cases, they try to somehow infect you with their emotions through their own emotional expressiveness. In a way, it's something that overrides a person's internal feelings, especially if they are Fe PoLR types. They often try to act in a simpering sort of way to get you to feel what they feel. The best way to describe Fe from my perspective is "emotional contagion." ILIs and their lookalikes don't deal well with situations in which someone tries to get them to feel a certain emotion. Usually it's not by someone saying directly, "You should feel such and such a way," but by acting out their own emotions in a way that directly affects the feelings of others around them. This is how demonstrative Fi works. They demonstrate their own feelings in order to get others to feel them. Fi demonstrative working in support of Fe lead. It makes so much simple sense that it's hard to see how people miss it.
Another term I'd use for it is "invasive feeling."
There are going to be moralizers of every type. Moralizing has absolutely nothing to do with Socionics.
In a way, this is also why people can't tell what's going on with Fi types and their feelings. They don't really try to affect someone else's emotional experience, so it's impossible for Fe types to know what they are feeling. In a sense, the only way to know how someone is feeling is for that person to affect your emotional experience. Fi types don't really do that so much, so you aren't going to sense anything coming from them. What you do in this case is to watch their behavior and then gauge their emotions indirectly through those unrelated expressions.