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Ahh...why are you doing this again? I have tried to tell you that's it's too complicated...for example, depending on what the offense is
If you offend people due to their race, ethnicity, color, class, cast, etc...then INFj might feel offended but will not likely voice it in person, but will likely voice it in writing, because in a forum, people are not subjects, they are more removed and kind of easier to talk to.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I feel like there are probably a lot more issues in regards to offense than just type. People are offended by different things and are not offended by different things, and this is probably more affected on an individual level than anything else. It probably also has to do with maturity levels, as well as culture/race/gender etc.
That and what mood they are in, too many things to measure...too complicated.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
"Many LSEs, for instance, express offense by outright telling the person what they did but go on to find arbitrary things to make the person look bad." "IEIs tend to just react quickly or sulk or say cruel things"
Don't you see these two sentences look the same?
SLI then a pissed off LSE and any one else.
"IEIs tend to just react quickly or sulk or say cruel things"
never
"ILIs will typically just shut off all emotion or else fabricate happy emotions."
Not true CORRECTION HERE...SO SORRY I MEANT TRUE
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 02-21-2010 at 05:11 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Yes, unemotional...on the surface a little upset or quiet looking; may simply smile but get excited, and will generally sit back and watch others observe...you can't see them doing Ni; a person is an accumulation of things, not to be disected into pieces like...I see Se in their this behavior and that behavior...because a person changes moment to mement and you must catch them being them, but what is them? It's a whole but inside the pieces there's a puzzle; If you step back and not look at the pieces, you will see type.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Fi/Te introverts. Passive aggression. Though, let's not overgeneralize.
I agree.
Once a person is "all black" as you put it, it's hard to change. Unless the person shows redeeming qualities shortly after the offense and continues doing so for some time, they're pretty much doomed. But when it comes to quality people that have been known for some time, they go grey instead of black. Easier to fix.
I don't do revenge. I avoid the offender. If they're not there, they're not a problem.
I wonder whether there's a thread on what specific behaviors offend what types.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
To them, of course, they really do feel this way even to other people it's annoying. Like the whole saying ' play the victim' is just so retarded. It's not an act, sometimes people do feel hurt by others.Another really annoying thing some people do is start crying or whining and acting like, "oh, I'm so hurt and victimized."
I'm not disagreeing that it is annoying, tho- given how subjective emotions are. But I was never all that bothered by this as long as it didn't happen too frequently. I was always amused when other people did this, actually. I couldn't really understand why it made other people all offended when somebody would cry or act emo. I just think people are terrified of weaknesses in themselves, when they shouldn't be.
My point is when people are acting this way it isn't some sort of ploy or game they're playing to cover something up. That is just retarded.
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When I was younger I think I reacted to offense more like how you posted for IEI but as I get older the statement you made above has taken over. If someone is seriously offending me due to me finding them, as a human being, inherently offensive, then I cut them out in as cleanly and politefully as possible (entertaining them with interaction is really a waste of time in such situations and risks infecting someone bearable that you know with offender's annoying problems). Almost 7 billion people in the world and supply of sympathy is tight, best use it properly because finding people is easier than finding time and energy.
INFp-Ni
SHIT THE THIRD TIME YOU THREATENED ME WITH EGREGIOUS NONSENSE WAS DEFINITELY THE SCARIEST
I'M TELLING MY MOM
Well I'm not going to rush my thoughts and blurt out a bunch of crap. But I am thinking on how to elaborate.
Generally the impression I get is that Fe valuers would find it highly rude if one were to somehow emotionally disclude themselves from the situation, as though it is personal enough, on the flip-side assuming that this person is missing out on a large part of life. They, oftentimes have a disregard towards many overlooked aspects of privacy and emotional security, and can be uncomfortably preassumptious (coming from an Fi valuer). Especially once the emotional environment has warmed up and it seems as though each person is attentive to one another, taking part and emotional states are being read, hooked-in basically, it can be a big let down when someone goes away from it, leaves the situation, an Fi valuer could often be that person (or also one weak at Fe, like an Fe-DS.) One must be open and able to respond to cues, and participate/involve themselves with the situation or people, judge how they're coming across, and attempt as much as they can to read each other's minds, for the benefit of the atmosphere or the personal feelings. For example, if someone doesn't show up for a meeting, Fe valuers can often take it very personally and assume the worst. Fe judges against the external situation, if one is providing the emotions needed, and expanding upon the emotional weight. This goes against the introverted value in emotions, of having security and a stable preparation, where an outward involvement is always second to stability and a deep contemplation of emotions. One of Fe sees no real benefit in right-wing ethics.
Yes. I have been on the shitty end of that MANY times.Fe valuers would find it highly rude if one were to somehow emotionally disclude themselves from the situation
Are you using right-wing in the political sense?right-wing ethics
IEE
I rarely get offended at things. Most things I'm just like w/e. I'll even interact fine with people who offend me. It's just that if I've determined that they're going to be offensive, they just get level 1 of me, the completely constructed persona. Which is actually not a good or bad thing, really.
Occasionally I'll plot revenge in my head, and that makes me feel better. Knowing that I can do a thing is usually as good as actually going it for me.
I don't really do the whiny play the victim thing. I determined early on from watching TV that it was a bad thing to do, so I stopped doing it.
Sometimes if I'm in a particularly bad mood, I'll lash out with a sarcastic remark or be particularly rude about something or other. But even that is comparatively rare.
Last edited by silverchris9; 02-22-2010 at 05:09 PM.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
If one's deliberately trying to offend someone he will likely succed.
But from my observations I can tell that people from opposite quadras are the easiest to offend or hurt while people from the same quadra will fairly easily find a common language and take no offence even if one side is being mean to the other. People from the same quadra will rarely hold a grudge even if they think that the other part did something wrong - they usually believe that they can reason with them. The opposite quadras often think of each other as nuts as soon as they start displaying any kind of offensive behaviour.
I think it's pretty natural.
So my reactions would depend on who's trying to offend me...