Type a friend

[golden]

This woman was a very important mentor to me for many years and remains a friend:





Sorry no better pix.

I initially knew her as a dancer/choreographer with an advanced degree in math, and she later became a multiple business owner. Very logical, orderly, not exactly an "easy" person. Does her own thing her own way, pleasantly but firmly demands that things be done her way with perfection and precision. She can shoot holes in anything, any idea, any artwork, any proposal. I've seen her rub many people the wrong way. But if you meet her standards, she'll never give up on you or lose faith in you. She's inspiring as a teacher, with a lot of unusual ideas. her.

[Beautiful sky]

INFj

The lots of unusual ideas part is Ne.

And, INFj's like things their way and are very demanding, sometimes on the surface look cold, but we're very warm.

[Crispy]

First reaction was INTj but either INXj seems likely.

[Beautiful sky]

She looks like me, but with bigger and rounder forehead then my own. Same smile and same slant of the eyes.

[twitch]

She looks like me, but with bigger and rounder forehead then my own. Same smile and same slant of the eyes.

Do you wear lots of red Maritsa?
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This lady has almost no shoulders!

[golden]

I could also consider INTx for her type but not INFx as I have never seen an INFx dress or sit like this. Was the photo a specially posed photo or just a snapshot?

Snapshot. She wears a lot of bright, vivid, but form-fitting clothing of any color. But in a city where bright clothing is not unusual. (This ain't Paris, ha.)

I see her as INTJ.

[Beautiful sky]

Do you wear lots of red Maritsa?
.................................................. ...
This lady has almost no shoulders!

Yes, pinks and florals too. There's a picture of me on my facebook account with a bright red dress on.

[Beautiful sky]

Snapshot. She wears a lot of bright, vivid, but form-fitting clothing of any color. But in a city where bright clothing is not unusual. (This ain't Paris, ha.)

I see her as INTJ.

INFj's and INTj's can look like one another because Fi and Ti role functions get switched and a feeler can look like a logical and vice versa. She VI's as INFj; INTj's have a flatter forehead; get touchy emotions because of Fi role. INFj's are sometimes more lively but hold onto hurt emotions for longer time. INFj's also have the tendency to repeat things that sink in over and over again.

[neverthesame]

She's INTj. Reminds me of Patti Smith.

[redbaron]

My instant reaction was LII. Looks exactly like an LII friend of mine. And your description seems to fit that as well.

[golden]

I'm sure it's not very socionomical to say this, but ... this woman just sort of crackles quietly with a powerful mental energy. Her role in the businesses she has owned is to systematize. Her approach to choreography was similar--she sort of built up systems of movement that were highly conceptual and pristine but that audiences--and even other movement artists--often found impenetrable.

For her to be INTj would make me her benefactor, which on the face of it could seem odd for a mentor-mentee relationship (with me as mentee). But somehow it does make sense. Because I am very different from her ... she chose me as the principal dancer in her troupe, and her choreography was greatly changed when put on my body. She said at the time that she wanted to experiment in having me perform her work because I "wear my emotions just under my skin." She does not. From her, one gets no sense of rising and falling emotions, only of this mental prowess.

She had to reframe her work and develop a system for how to teach it to me, and through that process, her choreography became something different. Audiences were able to relate to it, where they had not been able to before. It became more human. In this way, I did something for her. And I'm sure I let her down sometimes by being a space cadet par excellence, but she tended to overlook that.

Still thinking about this ...

[redbaron]

that makes perfect sense to me.

[golden]

Yeah. I'm not trying to set up pass/fail quizzes here or anything, and I appreciate forum members taking the time to help me type people I know. I'm trying to understand, by seeing how y'all VI, what it is that shines through to help one see type rather than just infer it from behaviors.

VI fascinates me because it's a new idea to me. I would never view it as infallible, and I am sure that photos can be very limiting, but I'm starting to notice how it seems to hinge on physical expression more than on structural traits. At least, that's how I think it could be ... a loose impression based on structure and movement and gesture, but with the keys lying in things like gaze, smile.

[xerx]

If her forte is in creating precise, practical systems, consider LSI.

[golden]

I considered LSI, but she seems much more LII to me. I came into the thread with the hidden agenda of "Does she look LII?" lol. What would you say are the salient differences between LSI and LII?

She seems extremely intuitive to me in real life.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm sure it's not very socionomical to say this, but ... this woman just sort of crackles quietly with a powerful mental energy. Her role in the businesses she has owned is to systematize. Her approach to choreography was similar--she sort of built up systems of movement that were highly conceptual and pristine but that audiences--and even other movement artists--often found impenetrable.

For her to be INTj would make me her benefactor, which on the face of it could seem odd for a mentor-mentee relationship (with me as mentee). But somehow it does make sense. Because I am very different from her ... she chose me as the principal dancer in her troupe, and her choreography was greatly changed when put on my body. She said at the time that she wanted to experiment in having me perform her work because I "wear my emotions just under my skin." She does not. From her, one gets no sense of rising and falling emotions, only of this mental prowess.

She had to reframe her work and develop a system for how to teach it to me, and through that process, her choreography became something different. Audiences were able to relate to it, where they had not been able to before. It became more human. In this way, I did something for her. And I'm sure I let her down sometimes by being a space cadet par excellence, but she tended to overlook that.

Still thinking about this ...

INFj's can be just as inventive in making new systems or approaches to things, but are more ambitious and driven then INTj's

We are able to see the potential and approach to each individual with use of Ne in the ego block and Fi primary.

[neverthesame]

INFj's can be just as inventive in making new systems or approaches to things, but are more ambitious and driven then INTj's

What makes you think that?

[golden]

why? what is intuition, iyo?

Well, I'll probably get this wrong from a Socionics perspective--okay?

But I have experienced her as someone who is able to tap into a sort of timeless, sweeping perspective ... on art, on life, on other people. She holds the long-range picture in mind in her business activities. Her partner deals with the day-in, day-out issues.

Let's say she was delivering a critique of another choreographer's work. I think if she had been more sensing, she would have focused more on the actual movements, the work-in-itself as it appeared before us. (Some, maybe most, of the other people did this in their critiques.) My friend would take this global approach that came "from some other place." Sort of mysterious; she'd make these big connections. She would somehow get a sense of who the choreographer was, how he/she came to develop his/her approach through past experiences, and what kind of feedback would give the person a new direction to grow in, in the future. And in her own work, she never gave a sense of the here-and-now, and instead she imparted a sense of the eternal. That was the area in which she and I overlapped.