What's my DCNH subtype?

[1981slater]

I'm curious!

[Marie84]

idk, probably irrational, Creative/Harmonizing

[1981slater]

I think it's D, but I'm not sure

[Creepy-male]

Creative, maybe. Why do you think Dominant?

[1981slater]

Somebody post feedback, plz!!!

[Marie84]

Why do you think Dominant?

this^
what about Dominant do you relate to?

[1981slater]

I am very outgoing, I can't be quiet when surrounded by people, even if I don't know them. I am competitive, but I don't go too far. My belongings are super tidy and I undergo energy ups and downs. People tend to tell me: your mind never stops, does it?

[The Exception]

I think creative. He's the uber- posterchild!

[xerx]

Dominant is the "engine" of the group. He's the one who infuses energy into the situation, makes things happen, or drags people into new situations. He'll strive to be the formal leader of the group. Creative types shift irregularly between periods of intense activity and fallow periods of extreme inertia (which is, curiously enough, a discussed-by-Rick Ne-dominant trait) or depression.

I've never been able to draw the line between TIM and DCNH type, but if Gulenko is right then DCNH type comes first.

I am very outgoing, I can't be quiet when surrounded by people, even if I don't know them. I am competitive, but I don't go too far. My belongings are super tidy and I undergo energy ups and downs. People tend to tell me: your mind never stops, does it?

Seems like you could be both.

[Marie84]

I am very outgoing, I can't be quiet when surrounded by people, even if I don't know them. I am competitive, but I don't go too far. My belongings are super tidy and I undergo energy ups and downs. People tend to tell me: your mind never stops, does it?

You at least sound like an extroverted subtype...
Do you relate to what jxrtes posted about wanting to "lead", or at least feeling that for something to go smoothly/get done properly you need to be in charge/be the mover and shaker so to speak?

[1981slater]

Dominant is the "engine" of the group. He's the one who infuses energy into the situation, makes things happen, or drags people into new situations. He'll strive to be the formal leader of the group. Creative types shift spontaneously between periods of intense activity and fallow periods of extreme inertia (which is, curiously enough, a discussed-by-Rick Ne-dominant trait) or depression.

Seems like you could be both.

Yes! Sometimes, I feel like "leading", sometimes I prefer "following". It depends on the circumstances. Some people never lead, others, always lead, which I see as a narrow minded attitude.

[Creepy-male]

fwiw I can relate. I prefer following, but I'm too naturally impatient to leave gaping holes in leadership, which I'll naturally fill to get the ball rolling. Ultimately it's an energy commitment I don't want to maintain though, so once things are moving along, I drop back to my "in-process" state; maintaining and tending to things that largely take care of themselves or only require my supervision or intermittent upkeep.

[FDG]

I have the same problem, btw. It doesn't really seem to easy to determine. I know some dominants which are more "dominant" than me. Yet I also know some creatives which are much more adherent to the stereotype (same type, of course) and/or less focussed than me.

[Aiss]

Voted Creative, but I could see Dominant as well.

[xerx]

How easily do you finish things and how well do you take things to their completion?
Is it easier to start new projects or is it easier to finish an existing project?

[1981slater]

How easily do you finish things and how well do you take things to their completion?
Is it easier to start new projects or is it easier to finish an existing project?

I am too scatterbrained and neglect details. I tend to start many things, but most of them wither soon. If a project has "survived" the early stages, I do my best to finish it. This usually leaves me exhausted and I laze around for the following days/weeks.

[xerx]

I am too scatterbrained and neglect details. I tend to start many things, but most of them wither soon. If a project has "survived" the early stages, I do my best to finish it. This usually leaves me exhausted and I laze around for the following days/weeks.

Then that sounds more like the initiating dichotomy, which is C subtype.

[1981slater]

Then that sounds more like the initiating dichotomy, which is C subtype.

I am changing my signature then!

[1981slater]

I thought I was D because people tell me that I am a chatbox

[Creepy-male]

I thought I was D because people tell me that I am a chatbox

You could be H subtype then

Initiating/contact

[1981slater]

You could be H subtype then

Initiating/contact

Aaaaaaaarghhhhh!

[Creepy-male]

Creative subtypes are Ignoring, so they tend to focus more on their thoughts than what's happening around them.

This is how I am.

FWIW the H-ILE I know is an utter chatbox too. It's awesome

[krieger]

Dominant

[1981slater]

Which one reminds you of myself?

ILE - ENTp - Seeker

Dominant subtype:
(Valentine Meged & Anatoly Ovcharov) The logical subtype tries to project the impression of a serious person. Can be sharp and, from time to time, even inconsiderate. They are self-assured and speak quickly, usually with a categorical tone. Are unduly categorical in their judgments and tend to impose their opinion on others. Sometimes appears energetic and self-confident; are impatient and cannot always wait for a speaker to finish before interrupting. Often take great new interests and try to find these a practical embodiment; will actively and vigorously defend their interests but after they flare up and offend someone they will consciously make note and try to correct their position. Very ambitious and prone to take offense to mere trifles, however, after a while will again return to an affable and benevolent state. Behaviors are unpredictable and full of contrast. Appear tenacious, gait and gestures seem confident but are poorly coordinated. Pose without restraint, capable of quickly closing a distance, may embrace or kiss the interlocutor.

Creative subtype:
(Victor Gulenko) They differ in their excellent sense of novelty. They frequently become the originator of many inventions and discoveries. Unsurpassed generator of ideas. In their suggestions they is very daring. However, they easily drop a project if they are bored with it and they then feel drawn to a new, more captivating project. Capable of working well in business. Dynamic, talks rapidly, with many gestures. Frequently of stocky built, courageous appearance, whiskers (if a man). Great significance is attached to external appearance.

Normalizing subtype:
(Victor Gulenko) Self-centred and pensive. Their ideas do not have direct connection with reality, for example philosophy, religion, bioenergetics etc. Their favourite occupation is comparing different logical systems. A type of office scientist. A very slim figure is characteristic for them. Angular in their movements, does not pay attention to external appearance, worry little about their health.

Harmonizing subtype:
(Valentine Meged & Anatoly Ovcharov) Give the impression that they’re flying in the clouds, may appear childish/naïve. A socially adept conversationalist; read much and are inquisitive, willingly discuss new information with associates and are interested in their opinion. Their seemingly shy demeanour combines with coolness and obstinacy when they begin to defend their point of view. They like to discuss but rarely ever end these disputes in conflict. Often smile at associates without need of an occasion. Use an identical smile when they speak about both, ridiculous and serious, subject matter. Attempt being kind to all and do not take personal offence to remarks. In employment they are patient and, despite forgetfulness, tend to finish work which interests them. Gestures and speech seem either slowed down or accelerated. Pose with ease, appear absent-minded, gait and movements seem uncertain/weak-willed.

[xerx]

The main thing that goes against C subtype is that you don't thoroughly consider your typings, just throw them out there haphazardly. An often talked-about feature of the C subtype is their pre-ocuppation with the correctness of their ideas, components of their theories and artistic endeavours, etc.

(Other defining features is their fixation on only doing what interests them, their eagerness to brainstorm ideas, and their detachment from the concerns of reality (including social life, I should think)).

Another thing is that Gulenko maybe entirely underestimating the effect that regular sociotype has on traits he lists as DCNH, so a lot of the eraticness and irrational behavior you claim to exhibit, which goes against D subtype, maybe the natural result of having Ne as a base.

Another hypothesis, if you've ever considered the possibility of an endomorph-mesomorph-ectomorph subtype system, is that you're a C subtype but are also more gregarious and have less pronounced intellectual interests due to not being ectomorphic.

[1981slater]

The main thing that goes against C subtype is that you don't thoroughly consider your typings, just throw them out there haphazardly. An often talked-about feature of the C subtype is their pre-ocuppation with the correctness of their ideas, theoretical components, artistic endeavours, etc.

People accuse me of haphazard behaviour. I respond they are very slow and worried with details.

(Other defining features is their fixation on only doing what interests them, their eagerness to brainstorm ideas, and their detachment from the concerns of reality (including social life, I should think)).

Another thing is that Gulenko maybe entirely underestimating the effect that regular sociotype has on traits he lists as DCNH, so a lot of the eraticness and irrational behavior you claim to exhibit, which goes against D subtype, maybe the natural result of having Ne as a base.

Another hypothesis, if you've ever considered the possibility of an endomorph-mesomorph-ectomorph subtype system, is that you're a C subtype but are also more gregarious and have less pronounced intellectual interests due to not being ectomorphic.

I think I fit the H profile when in a good mood, and the D in a bad day

I don't have less pronounced intellectual interests: it's just my career has nothing to do with Socionics or what forum members are interested at, I think. I am here to learn, not to spread my stuff.

Anyway, thank you for your feedback, Jxrtes.

[xerx]

I don't have less pronounced intellectual interests: it's just my career has nothing to do with Socionics or what forum members are interested at, I think. I am here to learn, not to spread my stuff.

Ah, cool.

[Krig the Viking]

From what I know of you, 1981slater (which isn't a whole lot), and what you've written in this thread, I'd go with Creative subtype (though this is just an educated guess, not a firm conclusion by any means). Creatives will lead when no-one else is willing to lead, or when they think it's necessary. Dominants on the other hand can't help but lead in every situation they're in (unless there's another Dominant around, in which case they struggle for leadership).

Dominant ILEs have very high energy -- they're often regarded as hyperactive. Creative ILEs have wide fluctuations in energy level -- sometimes bursting with energy and new ideas, sometimes lazy and listless. Normalizing ILEs tend to keep to themselves more, and pursue their own private interests and ideas, while Harmonizing ILEs are pretty chilled out (for an ILE) and tend to let other people take the lead as much as possible.

[tcaudilllg]

Producing subtypes (Cs and Hs) try to discover valid possibilities from first principles; D and N subtypes see the currently impossible in their head, and strive to make it real. D and C set the frames that N and H operate in. N and H make a point of NOT setting their own frames, particularly because they project negatively on their opposites (not their complements) on the scale. D makes a point of not being H; H makes a point of not being D; N makes a point of not being C; C makes a point of not being N.

Riddy is an excellent example of a C ILE.

[xerx]

I strongly suspect that this is what D ILEs are potentially like:



Whereas C ILEs are more like Einstein:



Einstein is almost totally absorbed in his thoughts and detached from reality. AA tries to make as many decisive claims as possible and has a big stage presence that's actually felt across the screen. AA is also entirely comfortable issuing mouthfuls of rhetoric, either to support his case or purely to make an impact. I suppose conventional wisdom would have it that AA is the "Fe subtype", whereas Einstein is the "Ne subtype".

[xerx]

Incidentally, I hate the same things about Beta Fe:

[marooned]

I strongly suspect that this is what D ILEs are potentially like

off topic... he's such a jerk in most of his vids god. his video about old people is particularly jerk-ish. i mean yes i've met old people who have become idiots because their brains are going and they don't know they are... i mean aging and other things have their affects on the brain and unfortunately when the brain is going, you become stupider and it's sad and scary but god could he i don't know try to foster some compassion, or just hate individual old people rather than the lot of them just because they're "old." he should wait and see how he feels when he's dying of old age. you can't hate old people without just hating people in general and then i guess you would hate yourself too and so might as well just kill yourself since you hate yourself so much.

anyway aren't ILEs supposed to "positivists"? everything in his videos is about how people are stupid and worthless and doomed or something and about how much he hates "idiots" and well apparently everyone is an "idiot". like i mean people are fallible and not perfect...

[xerx]

I think he's just piling it on to try and get a rise out of people. He's made four other similar videos about other age groups. And I agree he is a jerk.

[1981slater]

Lol, the guy on that video reminds me of an ILE D I know, who is extremely disliked by most people

BTW, I don't "move" as the D or Einstein at the videos.

According to TCaudilllG, I fit his definition of Normalizing. However, I see that my temperament has changed a lot since I was a child. At that time, I matched the H profile, then C, then D now perhaps H. Could it be DCNH depends on age?

For instance, sharing my scientific interests is something I cannot do as people in my life are not interested in it whatsoever, therefore I have learnt not to draw scientific discussions and , instead, talking about soccer or movies. This is disappointing to me and has definitely shaped my personality...too much as I come across as a illiterate person in spite of my education.

[redbaron]

H cause it's the best.

[1981slater]

I have read Kristiina's post on DCNH.

If I am not willing to "hide" my Ne, it follows that I am a D subtype. Yeah

The most popular option --> C

The option which was chosen by the three people with whom I have interacted most during these years in the forum --> H

My self-typing --> D

That's democracy

[redbaron]

cool.

[1981slater]

Hello!

[1981slater]

Perhaps...

Creative subtype: demands people around him are good at his role function
Dominant subtype: loud, bossy, gets things done
Harmonizing: his polr is somewhat strong
Normalizing: is rigid, calm and unemotional