I actually think the funniest thing about that is the idea of a girl finding it funny, like the idea of slugabed sending these out is really funny to me in an awesome way
there's gotta be an anime gif that explains what I'm imaging. like a small hyperactive woman laughing at physical comedy
the real test is does slugabed like john wick cause my IEE friend almost had a breakdown trying to get through it, whereas I thought it was flippin awesome
edit: badass Garfield brought a tear to my eye
finally, someone captured my love of cats together and disdain for brats in the form of amazing fiery catribution
Last edited by Bertrand; 05-24-2017 at 04:53 AM.
I love that she just called IEE males girly
@Slugabed That aside you aren't , especially not PoLR, far too expressive and unreserved. SLI is a lot more to themselves, cautious, smooth, and private. And doesn't treat their partner like this.
Persuasion, pulling, treating a person like a bitch, shutting your partner up, smacking, invading a person's sphere by groping and squeezing rather sensitive body parts in public (!!) are not SLI domain. lead here. Ask @Director Abbie about how much she'd approve of this - Delta love is very different, soft and caring, this has nothing to do with how gender roles impact us but simply the fact that is at work. That's also why @Bertrand likes it far more than I do. I don't like it AT ALL
Last edited by Chae; 05-24-2017 at 06:28 AM.
@Chae
I'm feeling really special
I love you even if you think I'm not your dual and even when you think that I'm being mean or rude towards you for expressing my opinions (Fe PoLR). And even when you don't want to accept me the way I'm because I don't match your expectations.
You don't know me IRL, how do you know that I'm not reserved? On the other hand, I'm not a kiddo obviously, I don't feel the need to prove anything to people on a forum or hiding my opinions or myself behind the curtains because of mistaken introverted stereotype. And I won't let any stereotype to change how I express myself when writing. But if you want to think that because you see me being "open" (not really) and funny when I talk to ENFx and other feelers I'm not introverted, that's cool. You should know more ISTPs irl. And I guess that your dad is funny and mildly open when he's around you too. So, why I shouldn't express myself as I please? To fulfill your idealizations and stereotypes? That's not going to happen.
I love you and accept you the way you are, being 3w4 and whatever. Even if you don't match your typing and the rest. I don't mess with your types because I know that you are sensitive, so why you doing this to others? *me curious*
I think that you are really mad because I express my opinions, and you don't like that I don't match your expectations, so you want to put me on a category that won't make you feel uncomfortable. That's okay. You can label me as you like and believe that I'm whatever you think I am. I don't care. You can also be mad at me, but it won't stop me to expressing my opinions as what I am, a Delta SLI (according my tests and functions scores). My dad is LSE and the way you think about "caring" seems different as I feel and experience it (and what I see on him too). So, I'm really sorry if I hurt your feelings and your idealizations over SLIs. That's not my intention and it has never been. But I like to be honest and to hold on my own convictions and own way to see things. Also we aren't perfect you know, actually I think we are far from it. Specially not with Fe PoLR and low Fi.
Fortunately, I've had years of experience with IEEs to learn to treasure you, and I love teaching to IEEs things, even on an indirect way (the natural SLI-IEE dual way). I accept the way you think, your convictions and even your expectations, but me being your dual doesn't mean that I should stand for them. As I don't stand for anyone opinions when I think they are madly wrong. Also accepting/loving someone doesn't mean that this person should praise or applaud everything you say. I've a mind too. I've convictions, and my deep convictions are over family, freedom and love (among other stuff).
If you want to label me as SLE or whatever you like it's ok with me. The opinions of other people don't affect me really.
About the b**** stuff. I don't treat him like my b*****, he says it in a playful way. Also obviously I was exaggerating. lol I took the exact same words that you posted on the pics and I fit it to the story line. It's evident that you are driven by your resentment to taking it literally.
Also, I'd love you to stop quoting me, so could you erase my quote, please? On the contrary, I'm very careful with my privacy and my intimacy, I'm reserved and shameful, I don't like you to quoting my intimate stuff. Me posting in here doesn't mean that I like ppl indiscriminately quoting me.
Finally I won't ask Abbie because I've said many times that I think that typing people randomly it's ridiculous and I don't like typing people and don't care for others opinions about my type (or my person, tbh). I know who I am and ultimately I don't care about people opinions and don't trust faulty understanding and biased judgment from partial views of my person, but everybody can think what they please, guess.
My 2 cents.
Last edited by Hope; 05-31-2017 at 05:48 PM.
Well, I haven't known any SLI to like jealousy. If anything, it's a turn-off for them. And none of the other behaviors were such as I could imagine seeing an SLI do. At least, not in public. I have no idea how an SLI would act with their significant other in private.
I think saying Si is soft and caring isn't as strong an argument as saying SLIs are private people.
But personally those behaviors, even in private, seem horrendously unromantic to me.
Ah: Slugabed is a private person. So SLI is still possible there imo.
Thanks and don't worry, I just needed a reaction to decide on things. You're dealing with intuition, I think two steps ahead to guide you. Now you used creative very cutely with demonstrative - verdict: SEE, Gamma is ready for ya. I know you won't change SLI for a longer time but either way. Good that's no issue, quote will be removed in a sec!
I feel like language is impressionistic and sometimes we overshoot the mark because of mood or perceived audience or any number of things, and because of that we can give off inconsistencies or idiosyncrasies that a person sensitive to precisely those things can then pick up. I recently read a thread on reddit about Ne where it says something to the effect that Ne takes a thing and exaggerates some things about it while ignoring other things in order to subtly bring out its possibilities, kind of like turning up the saturation on an object in order to see how it might look and interact with other objects, and I think its possible Chae did that to Slugabed and Slugabed may already have certain Se'isms that don't amount to Se valuing but were part of simple experience perhaps being around Se valuers and that is what caused this whole thing
I can't tell anyone how to feel, but I would say its obvious you both like eachother and there's no reason we shouldn't all continue doing so, as I see it, since all of this is nothing, in my opinion, to be too worried about, but maybe that's saying too much but in any case I hope no ones feelings get hurt and rather we just learn more interesting things about eachother etc etc
I think its entirely plausible a SLI raised by a SLE dad, and female, in this society, would come off SEE
I think SEEs are awesome though, so thats good too
(I understand no ones asking about me, but I really think its relevant): its really funny cause the two women I think I really liked the most were SLI and SEE and I definitely see how they are similar and awesome and how this whole thing could come about just because I do think they share many characteristics and they're both super cool
@Bertrand
My dad is LSE and my brother LSI.
Being private is a matter of in any context, so SEE again fits. You basically excluded the SLI possibility in your first paragraph so more evidence. For IEE-SLI dualization, also in erotic terms behind closed doors, see here. Slugabed is aiming for the aggressive, expressive spirit that IEE and SLI reject being their harmony- and relaxation-craving sexual selves.
oh sorry that messes up my theory, but ill leave it there, so people understand what's going on
Eh, don't mind my PoLR I don't go off details, I prefer the overall impression and that is not -mimicking but real in this case. "Coming off as" = actual type. Unless you have an ENFp or ENFj who can exude different facets of characters confusing the typists (this is what happened in my case, best example).
This link proves me more than anything:
SLI
SLI is a person who combines qualities of both a pragmatic and an inventive personality and who strives for self-improvement. He is active, mobile, doesn't shy away from labor, enjoys physical activity. Prefers to do things with his own hands instead of relying on others. He dislikes forcing people to do something against their will, believing that this should be up to their conscience and freedom of choice. He is uncompromising with those who try to impose their own vision of things and methods. Enjoys taking care of those who are less adapted to life than him.
As a realist and a skeptic, SP (SLI) often doesn't easily see ways out of difficult situations. In midst of routine, his vitality and productivity diminish, and apathy often overtakes him. Though, in critical situations, he quickly mobilizes and displays remarkable resolve and energy. Consequently he has a need for novel impressions and moral support - his needs a partner who would relieve him from a sense of banality and futility and bring some romance and warmth into the relationship.
Prone to melancholy, SP (SLI) especially needs his companion to be in an optimistic mood, at least outwardly. He is suspicious and afraid of unforeseen circumstances. Therefore, his dual must constantly talk about what's happening around them, what surprising things may occur, how to prepare for them or prevent them, and which worries and fears are groundless. SP (SLI) doesn't easily forecast events, thus he needs to know what lies ahead, what are the possible outcomes of a particular path of action. He himself finds it difficult to see prospects and future unfolding of the events.
SP (SLI) is characterized by a measure of self-doubt and inertia, which may become especially evident in those situations which require him to display his abilities. He needs to be inspired and mobilized for new undertakings, for which he is always ready in his heart. The main thing for him is to believe in the benefit and success of the job, and IR (IEE) is very convincing in such cases. In this dyad, IR (IEE) deals with the long-term goals and potential outcomes, while SP (SLI) methodically and persistently implements the plans, working patiently and carefully. SP (SLI) strives to improve his skills and qualifications, with which he inspires admiration in his dual. Sharp criticism could lead to SP (SLI) simply giving up, because he will not try to prove anything to those who do not believe in him. Sincere praises of IR (IEE) mobilize his partner, give him the assurance that everything is going as it should.
If his partner violates and upsets the inner state of SP (SLI), which is so difficult for him to maintain, his offense can be so great that he will distance from such a person. He needs someone who will create safe space for his emotions, who will try to dispel his doubts and mitigate his internal conflicts, rather than sharpen them.
This pair is the most vulnerabl one in entire socion, so great are its requirements and so finely developed the sense of harmony. The slightest dissonance in relationships with each other and others can plunge them into despair.
Routine often reduces their vitality. They both value their freedom and independence in making decisions. They feel well only when they have opportunities for creative work. Striving for perfection and harmony, constant development of their skills – this is their main stimulus in life. If harmony has not been achieved, they tend to react poorly to the slightest negative tones in their relations with others and other inconveniences of psychological and domestic kind.
The area of feelings and relations is the prerogative of the IR (IEE), while SP (SLI) is well-versed in the shades and tints of sensing side of the intimate life of this dyad. For him the one-sided joy of sex is inconceivable. Resonance of feelings and attitudes, ensured by IR (IEE), and of sexual sensations, which are polished and perfected by SP (SLI), enrich their love life.
They become truly happy only when they can also achieve harmony of thoughts, activities, interests and aspirations – harmony of life material and immaterial. Only then their love strengthens. They cannot exist in an atmosphere of conflict and routine. Their love is fueled by mutual care, tact, responsiveness to the interests of each other, mutual improvement and instruction, new experiences in their lives. They need a lot to be happy, but if they can achieve all of it, their love approaches an ideal.
And this video...
Last edited by Hope; 05-24-2017 at 07:32 AM.
Yeah routine is for robots. Although my concept of routine is so broad I wonder how can I walk (maybe a possibility because I have very low body awareness)
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I was thinking VIKTOR could be either ESI-Se or ILI-Te based on some of his posts and chat interactions.
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Do whatever you want, but I'm against deleting posts.
Incidentally, my initial response to people battle-typing me is anger, which I try to quickly set aside* to dispassionately examine why they might think I am a different type. Overall, I think the fraction-of-a-second blood pressure rise is well worth the information gained. So, no need to create another thread. Soon the focus of the thread will move on to newer, more exciting subjects.
*Anger leads to revenge, which leads to harm, which leads to loss of trust, which leads to diminished influence, which ultimately makes the person who expresses impulsive anger less capable. So I divert it (usually) into some more productive activity. Sometimes, though, expressing non-impulsive anger is appropriate because it works for some things.
-Adam "Not a 9, Jeremy. Not even in your subconscious dreams" Strange
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New Additions: Fay, Pole, NeoKortex, Syrup De Gem, Chae, Epheme, Supremacist, Kalinoche
ILE-Ti: Myst, Transkar, LuchoisLurking, JWC3
ILE-Ne: Geneiouws, Lagerdemon, Cubazoan
ESE-Fi: Chipsnunderwear, Suz, Inumbra, Subteigh, Kalinoche
ESE-Si: Mu4, Wacey, Xerx, Esaman, KrigtheViking, Hacim
LII-Ti: N0ki, MuddyTextures, Reactance
LII-Ne: Kimuchi/kimu
SEI-Si: johannesbloem, chriscorey, the whole english
SEI-Fe: BnD, crazedrat, dinky, Neokortex
SLE-Se: herzy, mercutio, ananke
SLE-Ti: agee, kill4me
LSI-Se: Spider, Missbabydoll, Pole
LSI-Ti: Rocky
IEI-Fe: Allie, Pink, SisofNight, Cassandra, Fay
IEI-Ni: Starfall, Glam, Elina, Strrrng, Velvet
EIE-Fe:
EIE-Ni: Gilly, Darya, Bain, Sarinana
SEE-Se: Woofwoofl, Handjob
SEE-Fi: Lucas, Aquagraph, Chae
LIE-Ni: Ineffable, Moonraker
LIE-Te: Ashton, FDG, Expat, Invisiblehim, Narc
ESI-Se: DiscoJoe, EJArendee, Jet City Woman, MisterNi, Scarletluxx, Amber/Rosewood
ESI-Fi: Lungs, Golden, Ouronis, Radio, Suedehead, Galen, Kore/Persephone
ILI-Ni: Scapegrace, Korpsey, Krieger, Cpig, InvisibleJim
ILI-Te: Marie, Mensupermateriam, Aestrivex
SLI-Si: Words, Stray
SLI-Te: kim, daft punk, directorabbie, pookie, Jessica, may, supremacist
LSE-Te: Absurd, JimBean
LSE-Si: William, JackOliverAaron, BurningIce, Timmy, Smilingeyes, Laurie’s Crusader
IEE-Ne: Elizathomason, UDP, Sapphire, Syrup De Gem
IEE-Fi: Finale, Airman/airborne, Adam Strange
EII-Ne: Aylen, Epheme
EII-Fi: Maritsa/beautiful sky, silke, sol, zero, mikemex, IBTL, Contra
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
You highlighted the parts of sensing and ethics. Also, PoLR at work. You elaborated all sorts of intrusive teasings toward your bf even encountering opposition (hello, consent?!) and received similar enjoyable teasing on your own, now you indicate freedom of choice, and no force relates to you. Internal harmony - that's also . Come on, aggressor romance style, you don't pour someone a cup of tea as the expression of your care, you smack them just as you said. I see you deleted that post proving the point, you're in a dilemma there, see disapproval, and show contradiction. You realized the morality of the case using your creative, which causes the missing logic, suppresses . If you were SLI, you wouldn't show discrepancy because of 4D .
You would rather elaborate to me how the types work which is instead of using like/dislike judgment, . You do attempt at with the video but only now, and not expertly: what of that video is relevant? Your is at 2D, works way better. You did this in the "I'm feeling really special" post, now you used it on the description I gave you and even provided a socionics talk you appreciated. You distinguishing what you endorse to get away from the negative relation is -Fi which is used in Gamma - see how @woofwoofl (SEE) interacts with others - not +Fi as in Delta. Plus minus aside, a logical type, SLI in particular, would react to my suggestion already trying to build a factual framework around it and debugging what's inaccurate before expressing their personal attitude. Is this helpful?
/sigh/ Always ready to supervise. Where's @hacim, I like him more.
Newest Addition: Totalize
LIE-Ni: Ineffable, Moonraker
LIE-Te: Ashton, FDG, Expat, Invisiblehim, Narc, Totalize
Anyways, it would be interesting to understand @Kill4Me system if it is not 100-80 % VI.
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Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
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Everyone having fun arguing while I'm here being bad at Socionics like...
Always welcome typing advice. :]
@Chae Guess we are conflictors now.
fwiw I like your attitude a lot about all this Adam, sorry if you feel like i was attacking you because that's never what this has been about
thanks the feeling is absolutely mutual
I know I can't hide my animosity so it would be a bit pretentious to lay claim to high ground, but I'm genuinely frustrated at the quality of information and discourse around here lately, and that's what inspired my posts rather than something intensely personal.
Interesting species .