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    About what labcoat said, he's trying to point at my association with Ba-Gua elements, don't worry. I also found that the principles which govern the human psyche are to be found elsewhere in the nature.
    Actually, no. I hadn't even noticed you posted in this thread or that had ever made a statement on the topic you mention (wherever you did). On the whole I spend very little time thinking about you and wouldn't mind keeping things that way.

    lol. if you want to criticize please follow up with a suitable explanation. Otherwise your criticism is egocentric and worthless.
    in my experience you can apply socionics soundly to almost anything. we're dealing with fundamental logic, after all.
    1: life must consume and expend energy: Ne - why not Se? Consume refers to an animalistic top-dog/under-dog paradigm
    2: life must respond to changes in its environment: Se - sounds more like a Dynamic element
    3: life must maintain a homeostatic environment: Si - hm, ok.
    4: life must have a plan for its growth encoded in the form of DNA: Ni - plan and encoded could refer to something more Ti/Te ish.
    5: life must reproduce: Fi - could be argued to be more Si/Se ish.
    6: life must evolve and descend from previous life forms: Fe - any association with functions would be forced
    7: life must consist of a cell or cells: Te - ???? I'm phased. Same as the above
    8: life must be highly organized: Ti - ok, but Te should also work here

    So, yeah. Your associations seem almost random.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    1: life must consume and expend energy: Ne - why not Se? Consume refers to an animalistic top-dog/under-dog paradigm
    Because consuming and expending energy is opportunistic and takes direction. There is the issue of intention. It's more of an active role to take.
    2: life must respond to changes in its environment: Se - sounds more like a Dynamic element
    It's really the same thing as when you hit a ball with a baseball bat. Responding to changes is reactive. The organism is afflicted with changes by the environment. Reactions are prescribed. In this sense the organism is static.
    3: life must maintain a homeostatic environment: Si - hm, ok.
    4: life must have a plan for its growth encoded in the form of DNA: Ni - plan and encoded could refer to something more Ti/Te ish.
    plan is Ni, plain and simple. it's a course of events. with DNA this plan is dynamic; its expression depends on environmental factors. the complexity of DNA does suggest Ti, but focusing on that aspect here is missing the essence of this point. Instead I delegate that to point 8.
    5: life must reproduce: Fi - could be argued to be more Si/Se ish.
    refer to the discussion we had up there about discriminatory conditions. I don't see where you're getting Si/Se, you'd have to explain
    6: life must evolve and descend from previous life forms: Fe - any association with functions would be forced
    inheritance and catharsis seem pretty easy associations to me. the point basically operates on tradition and expression.
    7: life must consist of a cell or cells: Te - ???? I'm phased. Same as the above
    consider a fact the same thing as a cell. it can be used as a building block, it can do work in the world. a cell emphasizes operation.
    8: life must be highly organized: Ti - ok, but Te should also work here
    no, this is a framework. Te is not a framework, it's more related to operation. If we looked inside the cell at all the parts, that is Ti. But if we consider it a cell; a discrete unit which performs tasks, that is Te.
    So, yeah. Your associations seem almost random.
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    I can't believe you're asking me to do such legwork for you. Get off my back already.

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    You are being closed minded and it may be related to narcissism.

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    Probably, but are the biological parameters also universal enough to have very close matches?
    parameters for all life? Pretty universal. I duno, you decide. Maybe these parameters will be modified as we discover new life, but I suspect the operating principles will remain the same and only the wording of the parameters will change.
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    I guess what I meant to say was the number of parameters could have easily been 6 or even 10, but it shouldn't matter all that much. I agree with most of the correlations anyway.
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    yet they are eight..
    Anyway, if they were 6 or 10, I'd apply my modified model of socionics to them

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    Fuggin' sneaky Ni dominance!
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