that was the first time i've ever seen orielly
not a good intro for developing a good opinion of him, eh
that was the first time i've ever seen orielly
not a good intro for developing a good opinion of him, eh
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
PhilOriginally Posted by Elro
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
and for the record... I friggin hate Bill Oreilly, but I can see where you're coming from Kim. I just wonder how much of it is an act for TV. His "fued" with ummm... what's his name? the guy who used to be on Saturday Night Live... errr... friggin brain fart
anyways... I think that guy could be ENTp which would maybe show in their conflict like relationship. (whatever... I hate using socionics this way)
trust me... first impressions are correct in this case
Letterman?
Paraphrased:
O'Reilly: We went to war with Iraq because they had WMD. It was a mistake because they didn't have any.
But Saddam was very very bad.
Letterman: So why don't we go into North Korea? They even SAY that they have WMD!
O'Reilly: And what do you suppose we do there?
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
no... the really liberal guy who was part of the liberal radio station... GODDAMN! I hate that feeling of having a name on the tip of your tongueLetterman?
Paraphrased:
O'Reilly: We went to war with Iraq because they had WMD. It was a mistake because they didn't have any.
But Saddam was very very bad.
Letterman: So why don't we go into North Korea? They even SAY that they have WMD!
O'Reilly: And what do you suppose we do there?
Al Franken!
Bill O'Reilly is an actor playing a character. He says what he needs to in order to get ratings. This is true regardless of whatever type he is.
No! That anger is real. Come on. Have you seen him scream at Geraldo?
Of course he knows that this also why he gets ratings, but so many people agree with him. Fox News viewers...
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
yes... I saw him on a panel once on BookTV on CSPAN. it was the time Al Franken (
my parents for oneNo! That anger is real. Come on. Have you seen him scream at Geraldo?
Of course he knows that this also why he gets ratings, but so many people agree with him. Fox News viewers...
i'm not a huge fox news fan and stopped watching fox ages ago, but last i checked he probably was the only "fair and balanced" person on that network. he's still the only one that i can stomach watching. he does quite literally take into asides both sides of the issue. especially when you put him next to sean hannity or something.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
I still don't like him
I agree he's probably is not a Te ego block type, but I still think he is a logical type. He has a very Beta vibe, and has that bulldog persona, so I think ESTp fits rather well.
Description from socionko.com "Their thinking is conceptual, not methodological; often they can even contradict to what they just have said, but they do not accept such reproaches: “What happened, I just considered the situation from different viewpoints!”... They often like “cat-and-mouse” logical discussion, where important is not to find the truth but to win, to “kill” the opponent with arguments. "
I personally don't find him that repulsive, at least compared to some of the crap on Fox News. At the same time, it feels like I can't really hear what he's saying, perhaps because he's my beneficiary if I'm correct about my own typing.
Many of you probably have heard about the very telling interview with NPR's Terri Gross. I believe general consensus is that Terri Gross is ENFp, and it seems characteristic of a Fi-type dealing with a Fi-polr type (accusations of unethical behavoir, moralism, uncomfortable ethical questions).
I found another interview on the same line. At first I was having doubts that maybe he was ENTj, but I've come to the conclusion that the "character" he plays is an ENTj, but he himself seems to have a Fi-polr. Perhaps ESTP logical type. The problem I have with that typing is that he does have a bit of an intuitive look about him, but if he's logical subtype, he is almost close to a ENTp. Also, what I see as Fi-polr could be Fi-dual seeking getting a bit hit in a way only a ENFp can.
I thought this exchange was amusing
He VIs ENTj.
He explains things in a Te way ("This is this way, here's why").
He is always making predictions ("I think this is going to happen because of this" ... "We need to do such and such to avoid so and so...").
As to his emotional manipulating, this is a trademark skill in journalism. Every good journalist can do it.
The world would be a very different place if all Te types adhered to fact.
To me, Bill O'Reilly seems like an EJ with weak Fe. He's not direct enough to be Te subtype, and I can't see the case for Si LSE over Ni LIE.
Yeah, his Fe is comical, and he gets really defensive when people criticize it.
Colbert gave him a pretty good Fe-spanking when he went on the Factor. Didn't really shut him down in any way he hadn't already, but definitely made him look like an awkward, bumbling idiot.
I saw that. Colbert was very funny.
Yeah, his act threatens to get old once in a while, but mostly he's pretty hilarious. Si-ESE, I think.
In the interviews with Terri Gross, his fi was definitely being attacked but maybe I'm confused as to how polr responds compared to dual seeking.
From Model A descriptions
The place of least resistance is your weakest function. It makes you uncomfortable, and can be tied to certain personality problems you have. You won't make an issue about this function, in fact you try to avoid it. Criticism in this point is felt the worst.
Your suggestive function has difficulty working on it's own. You take criticism well in this function, as it is seen as concern. This function causes your dependency and childishness, as you need help with it but do nothing to ask for it. If you do not recieve help, you feel like an abandoned child (why is nobody helping me?)
I still think there a reasonable argument to be made that he's ESTp. I'm not sure how it would manifest, but Te is a ESTp's demonstrative function (personally my own demonstrative function at times seems to supplant my natural personality). I still think he VIs like an intuitive though. Perhaps it's exertion type versus information type if you believe in that stuff.
wow. I just listened to the interview he had with Terri Gross.
I liked Terri Gross' approach. The questions she asked seemed designed to allow O'Reilley to set the record straight on the accusations others have given about him.
I disliked his approach. In fact, my lower jaw near dropped while listening to this interview. In it, he does the exact same thing that he accuses the accusors of doing. And he places his own spin on "the facts". And when Gross tries to get him to clarify the facts, he instead accusses her and those she quotes of spinning.
He admits that his program is basically for people with strong opinions and who are passionate about those opinions.
But then turns around and disses other people's opinions that don't match his own.
He also leaves very little to no room for shades of gray.
The more ya'll post of this guy, the less I like him.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
There is nothing wrong with disliking people because they have stupid opinions. Opinions say a lot about someone's character.
Colbert is great! Love how he calls O'Reilly "Papa Bear".
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
**********
Bill O' Reilly
Why he is still reporting news?I don't get him. His arguments are like.....lol.
I love when in the middle of debates he just cuts other people's mics off. That's real cool.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
...
He's an insane ENTj who over-focuses on the Super Id.
I think he's LSE.
agreed
ESE so/sp 8w7. Ej temperament is the most obvious thing about him, but he is not a Ni-creative, which leaves only LSE and ESE as the likely typing choices for him. His arguments sound rather linear and overly simplified which would be evidence for ESE with 1D Ti rather than 4D Te of LSE.
I always thought he was LSE (by, yes, his Ej temperament, but the guy unshamedly can't think, so Ej but not ENTj). I only knew one ESE, but he was also a nice guy, so I never associated O'Reilly with him.
This analysis makes sense to me.
It's a case where the enneagram runs at odds with socionics type stereotypes. ESE 8s exist, but the usual ESE type descriptions don't quite cover them, so they end up as outliers within their own type, hard to type even by association.
It just came to me that the whole "You can't explain that" collection of memes is probably designed to poke fun at his 1D Ti - https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bill-...t-explain-that
Besides that I've heard this exact same advice from an ESE - "Your mom was right when she told you never to discuss politics and religion because emotions run so high in those arenas. Especially religion." - ie don't talk about politics and religion as things get heated, and it comes from someone who is perceptive of the emotional charge and its potential rancorous effects, which fits with ESE's -Fe: avoidance/elimination of negative emotion.
O'reilly is a clear LSE-Si.
And same enneagram type as Bobby Kennedy and Steve Wilkos -- 6w5 sp/so. Bobby Kennedy was LSI-Ti.
This one is an easy call using the only accurate VI templates for each socionics type (plus subtype):
https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/lse-si/
O'reilly's central focus is on external order: grasping it, giving it, preserving it and when all else fails imposing it. Te-doms can be forceful towards this end. Remember that Te-dom imposes order. Read Jung. Te-dom leads to numerous overbearing behaviors, especially in the LSE as its plain to see that disorder is what leads O'reilly to yell at people and bully them....like in this interview with Geraldo:
"You want Anarchy! You want open border anarchy!"
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