I like when the dog growls
She seems kinda ENFp...I like how she obviously doesn't really think she can open it, but still tries as if looking for someone to help, but not asking for it to not impose...but clearly making fun of her ability to do it while laughing...seems ENFP like that.
It's great when ISTps notice such things. Also nice they don't laugh and say "you suck" as others would...such as the vibe you get from that mean lady.
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You said it.Originally Posted by jewels
I like when the dog growls
She seems kinda ENFp...I like how she obviously doesn't really think she can open it, but still tries as if looking for someone to help, but not asking for it to not impose...but clearly making fun of her ability to do it while laughing...seems ENFP like that.
It's great when ISTps notice such things. Also nice they don't laugh and say "you suck" as others would...such as the vibe you get from that mean lady.
that is not me====>ENFp fail
i'm sure it doesn't.Not allmanifest that way...I am sure of it.
mine manifests differently than that........
Whoever doesn't relate to that woman is not IEE. End of discussion.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
do you Jem?
Of course not. I am ILI.do you Jem?
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
I might even go one step further: anyone who doesn't relate isn't Infantile.
LOL @ this video and this thread.
I will admit that I often have trouble doing things like opening jars and bottles, physics and chemistry or no. I'm pretty stubborn about it and you can DEFINITELY see the "infantile" in me when it happens. I scowl when someone tries to help me and turn away and struggle with it until I finally get fed up and pout (and I'm quite serious when I say I pout) and meander over to the person who tried to help me and just give them whatever it is I'm struggling with. And then when they open it without a problem I sulk, but secretly love it.
Because I'm stubborn and intellectual I like to act like I don't need anyone's help with anything and that I can do anything I want, but I secretly love every second of people taking care of things for me. Well, only if they don't do it in a way that doesn't signify condescension or a lack of respect for my ability to be independent and do things for myself.
Also, Jem and Dolphin, you're hilarious. You're so much better at being ILI than I was at being EII.
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"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
the lady? i guess i can intp too.
INTp
sx/sp
the one in the band, not the host, yeah. I have been considering INFj and other Ixxp types though.
How is that lady being mean though? There something I'm not getting here... The girl hasn't opened a wine bottle before, so she doesn't know how to do it (obviously). I don't see anything dumb about that, and the other lady is just pointing out how she should do it. To me, it's more demeaning to have someone snatch it from you without letting you do it and asking for the help if you can't.I like when the dog growls
She seems kinda ENFp...I like how she obviously doesn't really think she can open it, but still tries as if looking for someone to help, but not asking for it to not impose...but clearly making fun of her ability to do it while laughing...seems ENFP like that.
It's great when ISTps notice such things. Also nice they don't laugh and say "you suck" as others would...such as the vibe you get from that mean lady.
The impression I get from reading this thread is that what you guys attribute to infantile behavior seems to me more like "women in the Victorian era" behavior, where the woman was the child and the man was the grownup. I don't know if it takes place in that era, but it's like what you might see in the movie "My Fair Lady." The woman is the silly, childish, and immature one that needs the man for even the most mundane tasks.
I don't relate to problems opening something, since I do have good arm strength to open such things as jars and the like, and I am even asked to do it in my house. I agree that the girl in the vid acts rather "infantile" in the general sense, but I suspect that it has nothing to do with the socionics infantile. However there is one thing I can relate to, and that is the deep appreciation for someone helping me in any task. Just the idea of someone wanting to take a task (usually tedious) away from me without wanting anything in return seems too good to be true.
Helloooo! Thank you!
No.
yes.
socionic differences are about what someone takes for granted, when the preferences and relations are actually useful in that they save time doing tasks together. shared understanding and values will cut time and aid cooperation. someone who doesn't share the same values will view the behavior or suggestions as wrong or unnecessary.
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talking about a type in terms of characteristics does not reduce the type to characteristics. the reason why types are compatible is because they are able to do things a certain way, whether or not that is made possible through their information processing. I am confused why you didn't start a separate thread for your comments. If you want to shed light on any "idiocy" you should be willing to explain yourself.
Sexist. I could say more, but I think we all know where that's headed.
Congratulations for being a complete snob. So I suppose that since I come from a relative silver spoon that I shouldn't consider anyone from a working class? That I'm blessed enough to have the foundation of a solid financial background (which I recognize my parents worked hard for) must mean that I have absolutely no work ethic at all. And I suppose that only people from working classes have a sense of reality too. Thanks for reinforcing social stratification.2. Socio-Economic. I came from a working class, why should I approve a person especially if they were given the silver spoon. I'll never nothing to do with that person regardless.
Right, so you don't want anyone who is naturally gifted. They are obviously less worthy than someone who struggled through school. I guess I deserve no recognition since I don't have to struggle for my grades. The fact that I'm naturally talented at what I do and what I study is obviously a demeaning quality. My goodness, I didn't realize that talent is such a dirty stain on my character.3. Education. Same like #2. Someone who struggled in school gets my support than someone who breezed through education and got masters, etc.
Finally something somewhat reasonable, though I would adjust this to say physical attraction since appearance is not really what we're talking about. There are plenty of people who most would consider of "intolerable" appearance who have partners that are attracted to them.4. Appearance. Does that person's appearance match well with mines? Or is it tolerable? Or not?
Woh, and way down in number 5 is personality! Actually, not even personality, but personality "compatability". That says nothing of actual character. So somewhere in your list you totally missed out on someone's actual personality. And if this is supposed to be personality, I think you're the idiot for putting it in number five.5. Type personality compatibililty.
Let's recap for a second. So you meet someone. Here's the process you go through. First, is he or she masculine or feminine? Goodness knows, if you don't fit your appointed gender role then there's something wrong with you. Only girly girls and manly men pls n thx. Second, is he/she from a good 'ol working class family. We have personalities that are so perfect, but oh no, we don't come from the same social place. I didn't realize we were in a modern rendition of Romeo and Juliet. Third, did he/she make it through university on hard work or talent? No, no, the brilliant PhD scholar currently teaching at a respected university simply will not do. You are only good enough if you've worked extra hard for your As and Bs. Who cares what your work ethic is actually like, only the people who have to work hard are good enough. Forth, do we look good together? Can I stand to look at you in the morning? Because, wow, I let you through the first three filters and suddenly realized that I don't find you even remotely physically attractive. Let's be a little more honest with ourselves here. Unless you're trying to say that as long as he or she is merely tolerable you can manage. Heck, as long as you can look at them without cringing then things are go. Fifth, do we have compatible personalities. Gee, we like lots of the same things and we get along well. We don't have much of a spark, but you're hard-working, you aren't hideous and we get along. Let's hook-up.
Wow, you're right. I'm an idiot for talking about trends in erotic attitudes where functions are concerned. I should just get together with the next person I can relate to on your 1-5 scale. Should I make a check-list? Oh, crap, the guy in the cubicle next to mine is single and matches all those criteria. Better stop looking. Thanks for your moment of profound clarity IXTp.
The point of this thread is to discuss an example of an erotic attitude pairing in action. If you don't feel that this is apparent in the video or you think that the theory of erotic attitudes is unfounded, say so and state your case before calling us idiots for discussing something that a lot of us Si/Ne experience in our romantic encounters.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
yeah it seemed too obvious.. so i thought something wasn't coming through on his english.
Personally I wouldn't mind a suga momma.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
Sereno, look at it this way:
She's trying to open the bottle. She can't. She looks around saying "help" with her eyes. The woman just gives instructions (which she obviously doesn't need, she already can conceive how to open the bottle), whereas the guy actually goes up and helps her while making no big deal out of it, and while hesitating to also make sure it was OK and he wasn't intruding on her independence at the same time.
I'm sure he wouldn't have done it if she refused help, or if he felt he was belittling her.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
thanks lv, that helps explain it for me too.
i've personally got this "thing" where i do what you described VERY NATURALLY WITH CHILDREN. but, i always thought that those children would "grow up" one day and be able to do those things without being "rescued" anymore. so, i don't naturally look for those behaviors in adults. once i get to know a person, i can "switch over" into that way of behaving with another if i sense that that is what the person is needing. but only after i've gotten to know them and their personality.
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