Maybe I'm an autistic IEE.
Maybe I'm an autistic IEE.
Sirena's descriptions seem to suggest that this is also the case with him though.Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
I mean I would probably avoid him irl too because he looks like he might be dangerous in some of those pictures (although I really feel like he isn't), and I naturally sort of go around people presenting that sort of look because I'm not sure if it's safe or not. But in certain parts of big cities you can find that sort of "the world is an alienating place, I too am a ax murderer, don't mess with me" look on a lot of people's faces.
If this was referring to anything I said, I personally do not believe ST means "tough looking" (ftr).Okay, just because someone is "ST" or whatever dichotomy you wanna use, does NOT mean they will be tough looking. Fe seeking leads LIIs and LSIs to usually smile and try to emotionally expressive in posed pictures. I DEFINITELY have noticed this pattern in my real life LSI friends. They are extremely outwardly friendly, exuberant, smiley in pictures.
Anyway, could I see an LSI perhaps trying to put on a "tough" pose? Why not? I could see anyone doing that really. I did wonder if it was significant though in his case because I noticed it in most of the pictures, which was why I mentioned it. I was curious about it. (And maybe he wasn't really trying to look tough and it only looks that way to me.)
That wasn't what I meant. I didn't get the impression that he goes around acting like as asshole from those pictures (in fact in the pictures where he's with others he seems to be rather loyal to them, I think...). The subconscious focus on gender stereotypes could make sense.
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First off:Mimosa -- I relate to that picture more than I would ever relate to that D-class sopranos back-up actor.
I can't count the number of times I've received this sort of emotionally-underhanded criticism from delta NFs in my life. It's like you guys relish making personal judgments without ever being direct.
I'm not adverse to posturing; it was just blatantly obvious with him, so I pointed it out. And we look nothing alike. He's an ugly, vapid machismo, whereas I'm a youthful, attractive *beta NF hardass* who can at least make posturing look good
It's cause she has the emotional vibrancy of a rock. Just look at the bland facial expression in her picture, lol.
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Yeah, okay, Mr. Deep. Just how insecure do you have to be to actually point this out about yourself! lol. LOL, I have no need to be indirect in criticizing you and in fact believe I mentioned your name throughout and was pretty specific in what I said. Do I need to actually personally criticize you as you seem to relish doing with me and this guy here? (lol @ your being such a poor judge of character, which is no wonder really) Not at all. I don't even really know you. I've always said that if being Beta means being a jackass like you and that I'm "oh-my-god-such-a-typical-Delta" for seeing you as such, then so be it! Too bad it's not that simple since the world doesn't revolve around you afterall. Trust me, it'd make it a lot easier for me and I'm sure others if we could identify our types based on a "who thinks strrrng is a dick" meter.
Uhh, welcome back though!
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I can see this guy is pure darkness. I suggest you keep away from him.
I hope this is sarcasm.
I wish it were.
But I am gonna go with my instincts on this one. If I am wrong, I am wrong. If I am not wrong, well... don't say no one warned you.
...Beta introvert, producing subtype... most likely se-istj, my dual... (there's no way he's delta... i wish you ppl who say this would meet a real delta... does this guy look to have much in common with G.H.W. Bush?? That is an honest-to-God ESTj.)
lmao wtf! um, thank you? i guess i appreciate your concern but seriously, that's pretty fucking ridiculous!
btw, where the hell is winterpark and his obnoxiously frequent claims that i am INFp when i actually type myself as one? it's funny how some people seem to have lots to say when it comes to disagreeing with someone and putting them down, but are otherwise as silent as a rock.
i don't rely on VI either, but my first thought was SLE...
but maybe LSI?
cuz someone else said he seems introverted, and i agree.
second thought
SLI
Sorry!!lol.... i know i personally need a break from SLI, and maybe u can relate??? hehehe. ok--too personal for the forum.
anyway, i think i have a pretty damn good grasp on what LSI's come off like, and LSI might make sense. SLEss.. i'm never really sure. and his solemn and expressionlessnessnessness reminds me a lot of that special SLI pal of mine (sarcasm.)
LSE?? maybe...lke the SLEs--idk. i'm not that good at pointin em out epsecially wihtout interaction.
i say introvert based on those, cuz he seems to either not care or be very unaware of how he comes off in the photos?
idk though.
just my two-centssssss
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"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
ftr
i vouch.
i support this post
*gay smile + thumbs up*
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
i don't think thats how VI worksWhy, yes Sirena! I would love to help you with VI.
Sirena is Fi-ENFp
but i don't know how it DOES work
but yeah. dont think THATS how.
i think she VIs with maybe two of those chicas
one being Selena GOmez
but i dont think selena gomez is IEE, so...
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
i could see IEI
veryyyyyyyyyy introverted
is he?
i think his body structure
is biasing people
lollllllllll
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"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
hahaha! thats really funny, because those are all my leading inclinations!
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
Not very. Saying I'm young and attractive is pointing out an obvious fact, as is saying that he's ugly and vapid. The sopranos comment was satire, and if you couldn't grasp the irony in *beta NF hardass*, you need to reread the thread.
You did some pansy, girlish snicker -- lol, yeah I totally thought of strrrng, he's soo insecure -- in response to someone else. And this response hardly constitutes a direct retortLOL, I have no need to be indirect in criticizing you and in fact believe I mentioned your name throughout and was pretty specific in what I said.
I wasn't personally criticizing either of you, sorry you took it that way though. I was just pointing out what I saw going on; character judgments aren't exactly my realm. I could care less about your friend's constitution, but I still know he's a posturing machismo wannabe.Do I need to actually personally criticize you as you seem to relish doing with me and this guy here? (lol @ your being such a poor judge of character, which is no wonder really) Not at all.
Nice expatiation. You're creating some subjectively-defined leverage point to discredit my claims of you being delta -- and rest assured, they have nothing to do with how much of a jackass you perceive me as (oddly enough, the betas are frequently the ones who see past the surface, though).I don't even really know you. I've always said that if being Beta means being a jackass like you and that I'm "oh-my-god-such-a-typical-Delta" for seeing you as such, then so be it! Too bad it's not that simple since the world doesn't revolve around you afterall. Trust me, it'd make it a lot easier for me and I'm sure others if we could identify our types based on a "who thinks strrrng is a dick" meter.
Just leave my quadra, you farce.Uhh, welcome back though!
What commonalities between him and G.W. Bush are we supposed to point out?
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George H. W. Bush (first one) and any.
Sirena, you're Beta... 'How someone types Sirena' has become one of my measuring sticks for Socionics aptitude. (I thought you might lol at that.)
DeAnte... Alanis Morrisette has been engaged/married (now? idk) to a string of betas, (including Ryan Reynolds, Ni-ENFj...) Her music is extremely beta... I haven't watched interviews, but I'd be EXTREMELY F'N surprised if she was delta... She's a pretty clear beta introvert
why aren't ppl improving at typing..? this dude's Se and Ti come through pretty damn clearly...
or at least... ppl who are typing this dude delta, why aren't you posting in "alternative (non-Socionics) theories"??
it would be best if you do, lest your typings confuse ppl who are trying to learn Model A Socionics.
SHUT THE FUCK UP JUJU SERIOUSLY. YOU'RE A DISGRACE TO BETA AND SOCIONICS IN GENERAL! GODDAMN I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE ANNOYED WITH A PERSON ON THIS FORUM EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE FORUM!!! GAWARRARWWWRR
FUCK I WANNA PUNCH YOU IN THE EYEBALLS!!!
DO YOU NOT SEE THAT YOU'RE SCREWING IT ALL UP. YOU ARE DELTA. SIRENA IS DELTA. YOU TWO ARE MOST LIKELY IDENTICALS IEEs. YOU ARE TYPING DELTAS (THOSE U GET ALONG WITH) AS BETAS B/C YOU THINK YOU ARE A BETA!
HOWEVER, YOU CAME LATE TO THIS FORUM AND THEN YOU SUDDENLY MADE UP SOME RETARDED ASS V.I. THEORY THAT YOU JUSTIFIED IN YOUR OWN TWISTED MIND AS 99% ACCURATE OR WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANNA CALL IT. YOU REMIND ME OF ONE OF THOSE EASTERN EUROPEAN FORTUNE TELLER WOMEN WHO ARE SO CRAZY THAT THEY BELIEVE THEIR OWN BABBLED BULLSHIT!
OMG I JUST HATE READING YOUR POSTS AND SEEING HOW UTTERLY DELUDED YOU ARE.
I WILL ROUND UP THE BOARD'S LEGITIMATE BETAS THAT HAVE BEEN BETAS FOR A LONG TIME AND ASK THEM CLEARLY WHETHER OR NOT THEY FEEL ANY KINSHIP TOWARDS YOU OR SIRENA. SO TIRED OF THIS, WHEN YOU TWO ARE SO OBVIOUSLY DELTA. ESPECIALLY SIRENA! WHAT THE HELL!? EVERYTHING IEIs WRITE I RELATE TO, I FEEL SOMETHING THERE, IT IS INEXPLICABLE. BUT HER?!? IT'S LIKE READING SOMETHING FOREIGN TRYING TO BE PART OF ANOTHER WORLD THAT SHE DOES NOT BELONG TO!!!
KSJDFKLSJK#
Oh my god that^ was so fucking Beta that I bursted out laughing and I'm stilling grinning ear to ear. Ahahaha especially:
Oh my god still laughing <3
I love you ahah
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Wow, I hope not. I haven't said anything regarding the Sirena debate thus far, but frankly, I have some trouble seeing her as Beta NF. Things made a lot more sense to me when Mimosa and I moved to Beta and Sirena was Delta. I entertained the idea that Sirena might be IEI for a while (in the sense that I do for IEIs and not so much for EIEs since I accept I don't understand mirrors as well as identicals), but it's really not a perfect or sound typing for me. It's not obvious to me in any way.
[lol @ ScarlettLux's rant, but just wanted to add that I wrote this before I saw her post and I still :heart: you totes]
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That said:
Also, on the topic of this thread: this guy - I don't think he's my dual. And even after Sirena's comments about his depth and his emo-ness (you know what I mean), I just thought 'huh, maybe appearances can be deceptive' but that doesn't really change anything. He does not seem like someone who is receptive to Fe, much less Fe-dual seeking.
Moreover, the whole enjoying talking about their romantic ideals and their soulmates or true love or something -- God, I really don't think that's something I sit around talking about frequently or would expect from my dual or even want from my dual. I would say a more frequent style of interaction would be talk about observations of people, society, the 'patent surfaces' of reality - behaviours, human phenomena and reactions/categorisations/observations thereof. Love, relationships, soulmates, feelings etc as conversation matter makes me lean toward Fi-valuing rather than Fe-valuing, actually.
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The guy looks intuitive, the guy on the middle and right is the sensor in the top picture.
Nothing special about the 2nd picture, but he might be using his imagination a bit there.
Sensor blowing a kiss, seems memory, physical imitation.
He might be watching the kiss flying in his imagination.
These are just my observations, ask him what he was thinking in the last picture.
yep, i've always been a little astounded when he mentions her as IEE, as what you just said has also always seemed pretty freakin' obvious to me.DeAnte... Alanis Morrisette has been engaged/married (now? idk) to a string of betas, (including Ryan Reynolds, Ni-ENFj...) Her music is extremely beta... I haven't watched interviews, but I'd be EXTREMELY F'N surprised if she was delta... She's a pretty clear beta introvert
@pluie: I'm not the least bit worried about intertype relations with this guy. We get along great and for many reasons I'm pretty sure we're in the same quadra, so this isn't a case of trying to figure out his type in order to try to predict if we'll get along. Whatever his type is won't change anything.
To answer your question, yes, he is pretty introverted. Also self-conscious, amiable, lacks assertiveness regarding practical matters but very sure of his feelings, quite passionate, writes poetry and music, writes beautifull- able to convey his feelings in a magical way this way, lazy regarding all practical matters (chores, work). By no means a bum, but like me, is more intellectually inclined and would rather just live in his own world and be left alone.
P.S. LOL @ all you bunch of pansies who would be scared to approach this guy!! So much for Betas being hardasses, lol. If you ever do happen to cross paths with him though, try not to wet your pants, he really is the sweetest and genuinely nicest person I've ever known. And as I said, I know him quite well.
Wow hkkmr -- just delete that idiotic post.
Maybe you're mistaking Se and Ti for whatever concepts you've associated with them in this newfound understanding of yours -- cause that dude doesn't have an ounce of Se in him. Funny that you and Sirena are the only ones who think he does.
Why aren't you? This grand understanding of yours was developed when? In the past two months? Just because you've molded your image to accord with conventionally-defined standards, doesn't mean your "understanding" is any less "alternative" than other peoples'.or at least... ppl who are typing this dude delta, why aren't you posting in "alternative (non-Socionics) theories"??
You mean, lest we rain on your parade? Everyone here is trying to learn, and you seem to be the only one detracting from that process, with your tumid promotion of these unjustified and disparate ideas about socionics you so fervently claim are the "true" understanding. No one is confused here except you, Justin.it would be best if you do, lest your typings confuse ppl who are trying to learn Model A Socionics.
Yeah. Mad
Yeah. All that, he's so sensitive and emotional and we write together and talk about our life journeys, just seemed like a bunch of NeFi ******ry -- the kind of congested, pseudo-spiritual gibberish I wouldn't ever engage in. Like you said, betas are more focused on inherent processes, finding frequent consummation of their ideas in systematic forms (while maintaining the abstract integrity).
Stick to your friday night coffee-house poetry readings and campfire storytelling, Sirena; you're not beta and never will be. Now get the motherfuck out of my quadra holy shit.
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lol @ bragging about your Big Bad Caregiver.
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O jeez we destroyed those poor Deltans, Nick =[
I find it funny how you started off a little more calm but by the end sentence ... lol. I do admire your tenacity and patience in response towards both of them, though. Quite amazing, really. I just could not hold it in.
Getting back to this guy's actual type... truly taking into account what Sirena said, I will offer EII as a suggestion.
he looks kind of gay. i'm homophobic.
yep, i've always been a little astounded when he mentions her as IEE, as what you just said has also always seemed pretty freakin' obvious to me.
@pluie: I'm not the least bit worried about intertype relations with this guy. We get along great and for many reasons I'm pretty sure we're in the same quadra, so this isn't a case of trying to figure out his type in order to try to predict if we'll get along. Whatever his type is won't change anything.
To answer your question, yes, he is pretty introverted. Also self-conscious, amiable, lacks assertiveness regarding practical matters but very sure of his feelings, quite passionate, writes poetry and music, writes beautifull- able to convey his feelings in a magical way this way, lazy regarding all practical matters (chores, work). By no means a bum, but like me, is more intellectually inclined and would rather just live in his own world and be left alone.
P.S. LOL @ all you bunch of pansies who would be scared to approach this guy!! So much for Betas being hardasses, lol. If you ever do happen to cross paths with him though, try not to wet your pants, he really is the sweetest and genuinely nicest person I've ever known. And as I said, I know him quite well.
Wasn't even talking to you. I know you got like a man-crush on this guy but I was talking to Sirena.
omgomgomgomg lololol @ what passes for beta entertainment here! you're just a bunch of morons, so yeah i can see how the communication works there! "moron talk" and all... (to be clear, i'm not including everyone that's posted one way or another here, just the siwwy wittle toddlers who are obviously cranky cuz they need a diaper change).
YupSo fun to spurn fake betas.
Yeah. I've been giving Justin the benefit of the doubt. But, to quote Steve, his "didactic" bullshit is just over the line, and I'm sick of it.I find it funny how you started off a little more calm but by the end sentence ... lol. I do admire your tenacity and patience in response towards both of them, though. Quite amazing, really. I just could not hold it in.
Also consider: when is the last time an ENFj went about political promotion in such an evasive and disarrayed manner? They're always extremely concentrated with their visions and delivery, and maintain a firm directness (part of the beta theme -- consummation of ideals and all that shit) in regards to opposition.
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well, sounds like you could use someone to wipe your ass for you. shit stinks.
you're just jealous
hahahahahahaaa (and not even a sarcastic laugh for the first time in this thread)
btw, i found your observation QUITE interesting, even aside from this specific VI example. and he does definitely seem like it's all happening in his mind, rather than in actuality, in contrast to the "here and now-ness" in the other pic. very cool!
You mean like the dude from FULL HOUSE and Ryan Reynonlds? You know of like one probable Beta she's dated and that constitutes a "string?" lol.
Music and videos are full of Delta Fi. .
Wow, this pretty much says it all, lol.
Last edited by duality is cringe; 06-19-2009 at 03:46 AM.
you make me sick.
You are my dual, I still love you, and will one day forgive you for everything.you make me sick.
lmaoyou make me sick.
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you make me
Sirena, I wouldn't dream of forcing anything on you (except maybe dry anal rape, lolz). You and I have a chemistry that brought us together before and has since grown strong enough for me to believe that it will reconnect us again in the future, when all these petty disputes are dead and buried. I am a patient and understanding man.you make me
i might consider allowing you in my presence again if there's lots of begging involved. even then though.....
Oh my god SLI men must have a lot of fucking patience. If you were my dual I would've stabbed you in the throat by now. I have no idea how anyone tolerates you please choke and die already kthanks.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
