InvisibleJim my dear, I can see you are a big fan of the book "How to win friends and influence people".
InvisibleJim my dear, I can see you are a big fan of the book "How to win friends and influence people".
To be able to think in paradoxes you must be able to hold opposing ideas in mind and change your axioms depending on what perspective you take. However, you yourself have stated that from your point of view this is not possible:
This does not imply you can change your particular ethical axioms at will, the same way a Ti user cannot change their logic axioms at will.
LII and Gamma amiright douchebags?
Why the type change?
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Upon realizing that a lot of the 'behavioral' LII descriptions I've seen on the forum are about as 'accurately' LII as I am. Theres absolutely no accurate separation between LII and ILI.
This is what happens when extroverts describe introverts.
Thus: To spawn debate.
Also: I still believe ILI is more accurate.
based on what i've read in this thread, your posts on the forum, and hearing you on stickam i would say ILI is probably better than LII.
You mean articles or anecdotes?
If you observe, INTx is practically the only Quasi group that gets the "too similar to tell" hangup. I think a major reason this happens is because of the enforcement of false stereotypes, but also a lack of perspective.Theres absolutely no accurate separation between LII and ILI.
This is what happens when extroverts describe introverts.
Thus: To spawn debate.
Also: I still believe ILI is more accurate.
Sure, yeah, they are pretty similar(as is every other Quasi group) but have them together in person and you'd be able to tell the difference.
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Well I don't know how much or how little I need to elaborate my point of view for it to be credible in your perspective but I'll try.
(...) one must be constantly seeking highly individualised external environments (...)
This is a very IJ agenda. It sounds like static field dominant, Ji fxn seeking familiarity in the environment because they can't stand abrupt changes. All four IJ types share this in common.
In a certain light, specifically, it might be an INxj agenda, signifying -HA/-polr, seeking a specific aesthetic in the environment because the influx of a new sensorial variables that haven't been internalized, becomes overwhelming. But I'm inclined to think, IJs in general do this; -polr, while not as averse to novel physical stimuli, still shares the same attitude towards change, both being Pe-polr and dominated by a Ji base function.Originally Posted by wikisocion
It is the nature of the Ni dominant to seek an 'individual' frontier. To be Ni dominant is to seek rejection of Se. Se is a function driven to relate in the moment to sensory input from individuals around you.
Sounds more like polr than it does anything else but I may be willing to extend this to polr and to rational types a little further down the scale. At any rate, I don't think Ni-doms ever reject sensory input, or any sort of input. Irrational types by definition take in reality as "whole", all at once, whereas rational types take it in in steps.
(...) can also be frictional in doing so. The mindset of Ni is such that it is actively resentful that others have encroached on it's intellectual and psychological head space.
This doesn't sound like Ni at all, I have never heard Ni associated with friction. That sounds terribly static and rational and IJ. Wanting to have a psychological head space that others may not access again seems IJ, but I can't back it up, I speak from experience with said type(s).
the only member of this board who I can really say is 'Kosher' Ni dominant (from my limited experience) is @Bird
That may be because Bird is also an IJ type, I could break down each of her blog posts as evidence but I'm not willing to expend that much effort. At any rate, Bird is a textbook static + introverted type.
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I went with ISTj > INTj because how you described your experience with Ne in the shoutbox and it seemed to be an unvalued element, and I do think you're Ni-valuing, just not as your base fxn.
Ni-Te through an Ni-Fe prism...
Why would one be constantly seeking if they are static?
That would be clinging... not seeking.
I've noticed some really bad descriptions of static vs dynamic on this forum, like INFJs when someone starts to assign number systems to deduce 'best' type interactions
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Static IJ behaviour: find an idea, stick to idea regardless of environmental changes. (Se weak, doesn't notice the change)
Dynamic IP behaviour: find an idea, like it, environment changes, erg, defend it against change (note the Se preference for attack) then shift about and find new environment.
They would be seeking because they're static and because they experience time as discrete states spread out over intervals; dynamic types in comparison experience time as a continuous unbroken evolution of events and processes with no obvious distinctions between one state and another. Seeking a highly individualized external environment seems like a static idea, because it implies you're seeking a discrete state, rather than a dynamic process. As for clinging, even IJ types occasionally push themselves in order to transition into the next state, the key is specificness and familiarity and consistency between one state and another.
Both sound static to some degree.
ouch.
Need I say more, friend?
I understand where the problem has arisen. I think the static vs dynamic articles need re-written. I think something has went wrong there. It's all down to Se sensitivity. INTj is Se ignoring (PoLR) until it hits them in the face. INTp is Se assertive thus is constantly weighing environmental information.
I think InvisibleJim is LSI. The Ti is really, really obvious and a few people in this thread have already well pointed that out. So then what is left is either LII or LSI. Ne or Se.
From what I'm seeing, InvisibleJim is fine with drama. Getting into confrontation. When he's in these confrontations, he's quite direct. Not waffling about or seemingly going about something unrelated. Grounded, I could say? Anyway, these are traits I more associate with Se than Ne or even Se polr.
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hehehe
Edit: I think it would be interesting to get Hemo over here right now and see what she says.
*feels like Howard Stern*
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Conflictor, dual, or supervisor, I like this guy. He's funny.
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I get what you mean but it's like you're making yourself unnecessarily depressed by always assuming the world is a cold, dark place. Really it's mostly a matter of not taking emotional teasing and taunts all that seriously, even though it's your natural inclination to want to be respected. Think about it from their perspective, they don't really want any affection of you to be taken for granted and so the way they deal with liking you is a lot of teasing. I mean good people always get teased the most right. =)Te is about having a suitable level of logical consistency required to reach agreement with others that is safe for a required level of logical consistency, whatever that is, however it does demand real world relevancy. Ti also requires logical consistency, but it does not demand real world relevancy and likes to support the hunches of pleasantness Fe feeds to the user.
There are 5 ways to handle other people's emotions, and all of them are incorrect:
1. Ignore their feelings and always be logical with them. This makes you look retarded though.
2. Tease them/bully them for their emotions while acting like you're this cool guy that never acts like a ****** yourself. It doesn't ring true, and comes across as incorrect.
3. Coddle them/condescend to them and preach to them. Pretend to help them. Act like they are this baby who can't even try, don't respect their independence.
4. Act like a brutal psychopath nobody really likes. It's fun for awhile but you end up in prison.
5. Pretend that there's a deeper connection then there really is, so you don't have to deal with the nooks and crannies of the relationship. (and so you can convince yourself that you're a better person then you really are.) Idealize the relationship instead of looking at it honestly.
The only way to handle people's emotions is to well, handle them. It's to just listen and sigh empathetically and let it absorb into you without saying anything back. "Nobody listened to them, and that's why they shot up the school." It's to listen well and be spiritual and then try to help as many people you can objectively with emotions like a Daria episode.
Then if they still want to make a poor choice that's up to them. But at least they can't use the excuse that nobody cared about them or tried, or belittled them or thought they couldn't do it. (the movie Tamara is really good for showing this point) You actually make them take responsibility, instead of blaming.
(Truck rapes everybody with his Fe creative and Fi demonstrative and Ni ego)
FYI, Hemo calls everyone "sexy" or "love", including this ****** here.
언제나.
my god sits in the back of the limousine
my god comes in a wrapper of cellophane
my god pouts on the cover of the magazine
my god's a shallow little bitch trying to make the scene
i have arrived and this time you should believe the hype
i listened to everyone now i know that everyone was right
i'll be there for you as long as it works for me
i play a game it's called insincerity
starfuckers
starfuckers
starfuckers incorporated
starfuckers
i am every fucking thing and just a little more
i sold my soul but don't you dare call me a whore
and when i suck you off not a drop will go to waste
it's really not so bad you know once you get past the taste (asskisser)
starfuckers
starfuckers
starfuckers incorporated
starfuckers
starfuckers
starfuckers
starfuckers incorporated
starfuckers
all the pain
how did you think we'd get by without you?
you're so vain
i'll bet you think this song is about you
don't you?
don't you?
don't you?
don't you?
don't you?
don't you?
don't you?
don't you?
don't you? (starfuckers)
(starfuckers)
(starfuckers)
(starfuckers incorporated)
starfuckers (starfuckers)
starfuckers (starfuckers)
(starfuckers)
(starfuckers incorporated)
(starfuckers)
(starfuckers)
now i belong
i'm one of the chosen ones
(starfuckers)
now i belong
i'm one of the chosen ones
(starfuckers)
now i belong
i'm one of the chosen ones
(starfuckers incorporated)
(starfuckers)
now i belong
i'm one of the beautiful ones (starfuckers)
(starfuckers incorporated)
i have become
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And when are you gonna realize that its misleading?
No, I wasnt calling you or anyone anything. Its just a song. Written by someone other than me.If you're calling me an asskisser, please refer to my signature that's in bold.
That makes no fucking sense.you might as well call yourself an asskisser since you fell for her words
Point being. I was the only who ever had balls to criticise her or give her negative feedback. And suddenly her words changed from asskissing to extremely cruel "you're not special" "what is there to ignore" "I dont even KNOW you"(when she did everything to know me). So when are you gonna have the faggy balls to criticise her for something or are you afraid that she might ditch you like she did me? Because a relationhsip founded on false feelings and false feedback isnt a real relationship.
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Uwace is gay. Away and calm down.
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LII
JFC, you're still going on about this. It's been more than a month; drop it!
First of all, stop assuming things. How *exactly* do you know if their relationship is founded on false feelings?
And sheesh, she ain't gonna ditch me because (A) I'm a fag, (B) I've met her AND she herself says that she wants to keep in touch with me AND (C) I did not make a cry thread about some girl who didn't reply to my visitor message.
Quit being a queen.
언제나.
LSI? I don't see any Se ego nor ST club manifestations.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
That's a big key word with Ne ego types. Why you might ask? Because when an extravert performs task or actions, he/she does as environment or external circumstances permit with very little need to step back and watch other extraverts do things to pick up on trends, which is done through introverting their action and external surroundings and then becoming aware through patterns/trends of these analysis or observations. THAT'S WHY.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Most of what you have highlighted, Radio - the seeking of "highly individualized external environment", the concern about others encroaching on one's space, the developing friction if someone is transgressing one's boundaries, the use of word "Kosher" that implies a degree of fastidiousness - has to do with the self-preservation instinct. Jim is likely confusing himself being sp-first with Ni-Se as cognitive functions (afaik he is sp/sx and pretty heavy on sp-side).
Outside of that, his is quite adept at using Je-function. Take a look at this post for example:
he is perfectly tracking the dynamics, the 'flow', of your post, then finding them insufficient and asking for a better performance
Also, if you read over the exchanges that took place in this thread, you can see that in the course of this debate Jim was rapidly switching his arguments, moving from one point to another to another. When I debate against ISTjs, they show much greater consistency in their argumentation than this. He is just not a Ti-dominant type of any kind.