Eh, I think i've came to a desision (for DA) on my type, but I thought i'd ask for peoples input incase they've got any thoughts on my type from my posting here.
Thanks.
Eh, I think i've came to a desision (for DA) on my type, but I thought i'd ask for peoples input incase they've got any thoughts on my type from my posting here.
Thanks.
SLI, if only because you always seem really at home in Delta (which is pretty much the Judicious coffee lounge (in a good way, not a diminishing way!) of the forums).
Oranges are more than OK.
I'm really not sure but the tone in a lot of your posts makes me a bit uncomfortable, that is you seem to go from making rather courteous comments to antagonistic outbursts, and some laced with a bit of both as if it cancels out the affect of the latter. I'm not quite sure if this is type related or perhaps you have things going on in your life that make you come across as defensive or maybe I'm just being overly sensitive to things, idk
I didn't even really know if I should comment about this or not because I'm worried it will rub you the wrong way which will turn into insults about my character like you did to Logos; but I figured since you created this topic on your own free will you're open to hearing differing opinions
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We're all entitled to our opinions.
I am curious what you mean by antagonistic outbursts. I suppose you use Logos as an example? I agreed with another poster that he comes across as argumentative/quarrelsome. He then pressed me to explain what I meant some more, which I did do in a courteous manner, and also made suggestions (if I was right) as to what he could do to amend that. I thought it best to explain that was the impression rather than leave it hanging, give some constructive feedback for the future (and he can take out it what he wants).
I do have to agree that I feel the same way to some of your posts as you do to mine, that is that you do seem sort of sensitive and jump the gun quickly, i've also read some of your posts towards for instance Ashton where the impression I get (rightly or wrongly) is that you are ... baiting him? I also find it somewhat curious that you'd say you were worried i'd make an attack on your character (after you did to me)? Kinda makes it weird to say anything!
So I don't see it as insulting Logos's character, not at all. Have nothing against him, everyone should get advice on something if they ask for it, I know I would. No ones perfect. He's obviously an intelligent guy.
Either way whether you're right or wrong i'll try and think about it. Yeah I am a bit offended but I dunno if your reaction to me is type related (or my reaction to you), overall I can't think of anyone in else in Delta who gives me a non-pleasant sensation. Hmmmm. Weird stuff.I'm really not sure but the tone in a lot of your posts makes me a bit uncomfortable, that is you seem to go from making rather courteous comments to antagonistic outbursts, and some laced with a bit of both as if it cancels out the affect of the latter. I'm not quite sure if this is type related or perhaps you have things going on in your life that make you come across as defensive or maybe I'm just being overly sensitive to things, idk
Last edited by Words; 11-17-2010 at 01:45 PM.
I'm returning the favour.
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Making comments like; "come across as rather nit picking and smug, like you already have the answers and you're hear to 'correct' the whoever posts..yet your points don't really seem to lead anywhere." this is patronizing, not helpful, and the last part about "yet your points don't really seem to lead anywhere" is an subjective opinion written as truth.I suppose you use Logos as an example? I agreed with another poster that he comes across as argumentative/quarrelsome. He then pressed me to explain what I meant some more, which I did do in a courteous manner, and also made suggestions (if I was right) as to what he could do to amend that. I thought it best to explain that was the impression rather than leave it hanging, give some constructive feedback for the future (and he can take out it what he wants).
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So I don't see it as insulting Logos's character, not at all. Have nothing against him, everyone should get advice on something if they ask for it, I know I would. No ones perfect. He's obviously an intelligent guy.
I mean, let's put the shoe on the other foot; if someone said that to you would you see it as helpful?
This is exactly what I meantI do have to agree that I feel the same way to some of your posts as you do to mine, that is that you do seem sort of sensitive and jump the gun quickly, i've also read some of your posts towards for instance Ashton where the impression I get (rightly or wrongly) is that you are ... baiting him? I also find it somewhat curious that you'd say you were worried i'd make an attack on your character (after you did to me)? Kinda makes it weird to say anything!
Last edited by Marie84; 11-18-2010 at 06:25 AM.
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Marie: Delta's magnet.
Thanks for trudging through my post history It's worth noting that the quotes you pulled came from one conversation, where I was irritated by various things to do with the conversation - it's not a plethora of incidents. It's also worth noting my response the following day:Originally Posted by Marie84
And the responses:Originally Posted by Words
Originally Posted by Marie84Not withstanding your own comment - things were said and it was sorted, people move on. I thought you had going by your post? But you bring it up here again despite that.Originally Posted by Mountain Dew
I think I explained this already, Logos was curious as to why I agreed with another poster, so I explained. Yet you only quote a part of the post, after I explained, I then gave advice on how he could rectify that (and he can take out it what he will) I also finished by saying that i'm sure he's a top bloke and no ones perfect, and he thanked me.Making comments like; "come across as rather nit picking and smug, like you already have the answers and you're hear to 'correct' the whoever posts..yet your points don't really seem to lead anywhere." this is patronizing, not helpful, and the last part about "yet your points don't really seem to lead anywhere" is an subjective opinion written as truth.
I mean, let's put the shoe on the other foot; if someone said that to you would you see it as helpful?
I think we're all here to learn about socionics, no harm in learning how to improve on other factors along the way. Point being with Logos I provided constructive information based on how we came across and the constructive part being particularly how to rectify it.
Thanks. I agree I try to make discussions productive. Another example happened (I think yesterday) where SSmall and WorkaholicsAnon didn't quite understand what they were communicating to each other. I explained what SSmall meant, and WA thanked me for it. Anyway it's a small part of why I post (helping others to understand each other)! but yeah I try to make at the very least most of my posts constructive.
Cool.
Yeah, i've noticed the sheltered thing. And I am for the most part pretty nice and easy going guy. At least this is how my friends would say I normally am.
Cheers.
Didn't need to, I had the links saved for reference since the offense occurred in the Delta sub-forum
I wouldn't have even brought them up but you asked about what I was referring to and thought it would be fair to at least not try to paraphrase, since that just spreads hearsay imo
It's worth noting that the quotes you pulled came from one conversation, where I was irritated by various things to do with the conversation - it's not a plethora of incidents. It's also worth noting my response the following day:I understand, though it still plays a role in possible type consideration. There was also a comment I read that you made not long after that incident which I dug upNot withstanding your own comment - things were said and it was sorted, people move on. I thought you had going by your post? But you bring it up here again despite that.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post711858
If you're curious how I interpret this in Socionics, I think it's valuing, looking beyond the straightforward response onto the possible hidden motivations behind the 'words', like in the above case, it's about seeing the motive for the post rather than seeing it for what it is (i.e. "this is what was said" vs "this is what was meant").
I also see tidbits of trying to control the emotional exchange, like what I mentioned in my first post about how I see you sometimes mix antagonistic remarks with courteous ones like when you told Logo's that you saw him as "nit picking and smug" and than ending the post with saying he's likely a "top bloke", or apologizing right after stating his "points don't go anywhere" it looks like attempting to soften the blows with positive ; in that sense, it disrupts the exchange since we're not getting a clear picture of how Logo's bothered you because you interfered that straightforward message with a transient mood change
What I mean is, it's an oxymoron, in that you actually feel that so and so is such and such and are not simultaneously sorry for stating so, or you're sorry for stating so and so and so is not such and such; either way, it gets in the way of a clear exchange IMO
kI think I explained this already, Logos was curious as to why I agreed with another poster, so I explained. Yet you only quote a part of the post, after I explained, I then gave advice on how he could rectify that (and he can take out it what he will) I also finished by saying that i'm sure he's a top bloke and no ones perfect, and he thanked me.
I think we're all here to learn about socionics, no harm in learning how to improve on other factors along the way. Point being with Logos I provided constructive information based on how we came across and the constructive part being particularly how to rectify it.
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He seems to say things like "I don't know, it's just my opinion" or "I could be wrong" in an apparent attempt to soften the blow of his words, while in actual fact, what he appears to be doing is being very forward, knowing that if he is criticised, he can just say that he was "only saying", and then perhaps counter with another series of remarks criticising others for apparently attempting to paint him as less than reasonable.
In my mind, it's a calculated strategy to have his cake and eat it - to appear reasonable and to have his supporters note this on each occasion, and then later reference that when one individual disputes his "reasonableness".
I also see tidbits of trying to control the emotional exchange, like what I mentioned in my first post about how I see you sometimes mix antagonistic remarks with courteous ones like when you told Logo's that you saw him as "nit picking and smug" and than ending the post with saying he's likely a"top bloke", or apologizing right after stating his "points don't go anywhere" it looks like attempting to soften the blows with positive ; in that sense, it disrupts the exchange since we're not getting a clear picture of how Logo's bothered you because you interfered that straightforward message with a transient mood change What I mean is, it's an oxymoron, in that you actually feel that so and so is such and such and are not simultaneously sorry for stating so, or you're sorry for stating so and so and so is not such and such; either way, it gets in the way of a clear exchange IMO
He's a young guy posting on a forum, I take into account he's delicate of the situation. I doubt socionics takes into consideration basic human compassion.