Deltas, do you like Lady Gaga?
Deltas, do you like Lady Gaga?
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
yeah sure I do, she's cute and very creative and great to dance to
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I don't like her music, but from what I've heard about her life, I like her as a person.
I realize she is somewhat outrageous and over the top, her obsession with glamour and being "herself" by being "fake" have the potential to rub me the wrong way, but ironically, I find her quite authentic.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
I really love her voice and the music and the energy of it, but not really the lyrics, and DEFINITELY not her grotesque music videos!
I work out to paparazzi. Would totally have "bad romance" and "pokerface" in my mix if not for those lyrics--it's just unpleasant for some inexplicable reason.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
It's not inexplicable. Bad Romance especially has blatantly and archetypally beta values.
I would expect deltas to like a great deal of Lady Gaga's... thing, because she's genuinely talented, and that transcends socionics. But, there are many aspects of her... thing, that are quintessentially beta, and as such, likely to irritate or unnerve your average delta.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
I'm sure she's creative and revolutionary but I don't really like her music.
Is she EIE?
ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
I like her. Catchy music [good to work out to, as someone mentioned], cool videos, I'll-do-my-own-thing-and-you-can-go-to-Hell-if-you-have-a-problem-with-it attitude.
She has a great voice, and I like how she does everything herself [writing her lyrics, which may not be brilliant, but are interesting nonetheless and certainly don't bother me; designing her very unique costumes, videos, and shows; etc.].
I was talking about her w someone the other day and joking about how even though I like her, I feel like she's making fun of us all by intentionally over-doing everything that is theatrical, and yet people go crazy for her. Random tidbit: I read somewhere [Rolling Stone, maybe] that she writes a lot of her songs while drunk or hungover, and fast: her theory is that if a song takes longer than twenty minutes to write it won't be a hit. And that seems to work for her.
Her kind of style usually appeals to me (the concept for the Bad Romance video was cool, but overdone), but I got over her really quick. I don't think I've ever gone out of my way to listen to her, maybe once.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I like her and I like most of her videos that I've seen probably due to the intensity. I don't actually have any of her songs though and seem to be apathetic about them (I like them better in the videos which are all on youtube, so no need to bother with the mp3s... I mean there are probably a couple songs that might make their way eventually into my mp3 collection especially if I heard them a few more times, but anyway).
I don't really think she is making fun of everyone, maybe making fun of life or satires of life, but not people (i.e. her fans). Though understandably it could still feel that way and all.
I probably agree with most of SoapOfSapphire's post and think that covered many of the likeable things about her.
Maritsa sometimes you are just a little TOO tolerant. Tolerance of badness can be just as evil as doing the bad thing yourself, you know. Fi includes differentiating between right and wrong against a standard, that's why it's with Te.
I mean, who cares if she was under the influence! Arriving to a high school graduation ceremony intoxicated or high is also inappropriate and disrespectful. Especially if she was there as a noted celebrity speaker (and I dont know if she was). And what about respect for her own sister? The only circumstance that would excuse this sort of behavior in my view is if it were accidental (like a wardrobe malfunction).
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
lol
EDIT: Is it "un-Delta" to find this amusing rather than ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE? I mean, I just see it as her being her; maybe she's doing it just for the attention, but whatever. If she is then it's working. Anyway, it's not like she actually hurt anyone by flashing them; I'm sure they'll all be just fine.
I was joking about that; I don't really feel like she's making fun of people.
Great minds...I probably agree with most of SoapOfSapphire's post and think that covered many of the likeable things about her.
It is in me to be tolerant. Fi is being loyal and having strong values in a relationship. Why not? I have trust and tolerance...I think those things in a healthy relationship is necessary so that people don't get paranoid about each other and give each other not only space but also a strong bond.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Like i said, being tolerant is good. However, being TOO tolerant when something ought to be said is not consistent with Fi. It's like standing around watching when someone is being raped, trying to understand the motive. (which actually has been expressed by some in beta )
p.s. do you have a personal relationship with Lady Gaga, that you're so loyal to her? if you are trying to manifest Fi in this context, that is not it.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Being too tolerant is using Ne to factor in other possibilities that may or may not happen or will happen or have happened...people are multi faceted, they just don't do things sometimes because they are black and white...all kinds of factors drive our decision and they may not just be tied to our willingness, wants, or desires.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Yeah, I think for me it's because it was Lady Gaga doing it. I mean, she's a performer who's known for doing outlandish things. If it was the President flashing genitalia at a formal public gathering of religious people, I'd have a problem with it. But Lady Gaga? Whatever.
1) I don't think you really understood what was being communicated in that topic.
2) I don't think it's quite accurate to say that a given moral action is or is not consistent with Fi. I mean, the nature of Fi is that it is a subjective function, and as such, the standards vary wildly. I'm sure you could have a cultural situation wherein an Fi valuer could firmly believe that not showing your vagina in public is a huge breach of social etiquette. So "consistent with Fi" means something more like, "strongly adhering to your moral standards, whatever they are," rather than, "condemning and avoiding actions like action x." Fi is very personal and individual, and even though Fi valuers tend to think that many of their moral views are universal---and they very well may be---certainly not all Fi valuers have the same or even similar values.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
OMG, Potato, yes, those are actions that are generally associated with the beta quadra. Neither the fact that the behaviors are not exclusive to the beta quadra nor that not all betas manifest the behavior in question, invalidates its use as a generalization, especially for differentiating beta from delta. Furthermore, we can use additional information: does the person generally behave this way, or only when under stress? Does the person like this way of being, or wish they could change? Does the person like people who accept this way of being? Has the person consistently behaved this way over the course of their lives? Obviously, none of this information can be used to make a conclusive, unalterable, 100% sure typing (obviously not, because socionics doesn't conclusively, unalterably, 100% sure fit reality), but it can be used to get pretty close, and you can adjust for new evidence from there.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
I don't seem to have any strong feelings about Lady Gaga flashing her vagina, other than "doesn't surprise me." I don't have any strong feelings about not flashing it either. I don't feel it's an important statement. I feel annoyed with the whole "omg! you flashed your privates in a sexually conservative place in front of people! you're in my cool people book now! such a dramatic statement to show your coolness once and for all! It's like so amazing and unheard of!" reactions. I don't really care if it's cool or not. It's not stifling and uptight, and so it is safe (that which is uptight and insanely sexually conservative, and yes repressive, is something that I probably find more offensive and even scary in that it's restricting what people can be...) That said, I once again do agree with SoapofSapphire, again, I know, that I would think it was horrible for a world leader to do that in front of a bunch of religious representatives from another nation/culture, it would be an insult, and seriously screw over relations with other countries and I would probably have a strong feeling about it for that reason... as I feel international relations are often a delicate matter and so trying to be respectful/considerate of others' cultures etc. is very important in the role of world leader. Although I seriously don't understand why the president always has to make appearances in suits on TV... I mean why can't people just wear whatever (and if other cultures found that offensive, not wearing a suit, I wouldn't care because seriously that's really rude to hold standards about what *other* people can and can't wear). And even the president flashing everyone in-house on "American soil" would be inappropriate because well it just would be... it's more defined by cultural context. It's just not okay to be naked in our culture and I have mixed feelings about all of that. I'd probably feel sympathetic to all the parents bitching because of the "message" it sends to their children that the president has this issue with his clothes always falling off, seemingly of their own accord, in public. Okay, that would be ready funny, the president being a nudist. I think our culture just isn't ready for such a thing.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
aha...haha...
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Obama should flash the goods
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Obvious negates funny about 99% of the time.
If you've seen Alejandro, she also wore a nun's outfit with upside down crosses, and put an entire rosary in her mouth, to say the least. Conservative Catholics would probably also have issue with the sexuality and particularly homosexuality that is alluded to in that video.
Delta =/= Catholic, of course
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.