I do think that some are worse than others. if you had to choose the most tolerable of all..
so. two questions you might want to answer:
- If you had to choose your own PoLR..
- It would really suck to have the *insert PoLR here*
I do think that some are worse than others. if you had to choose the most tolerable of all..
so. two questions you might want to answer:
- If you had to choose your own PoLR..
- It would really suck to have the *insert PoLR here*
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All the PoLRs are so good. How do I pick just one?
Cripes... PoLR and base seem best to me, but then most types prefer their base function and reject their PoLR. Gotta counterbalance that.
In general the dynamic PoLRs seem safer to me (maybe because that's my vital ring?), but... since even that seems type-related, I can't choose.
I'll stay PoLR.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
I'd have to say too
i think a logical polr might be better. you can always learn logic, unlike ethics. with ethics, it all seems so hard to understand. with logic, even if you were not good at , you can go to college and learn it.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I'm in college and I'm not at all getting any better at Ti/Te. I'm at least good at hiding it though. what I do is I cover something up (an explanatory essay, say) with Ni. and sometimes Fe (not at all what the professor is looking for, hence grade-wise, low to average, but it gets the job done, so).
but I definitely agree with this
You can't really expect to "learn away" your PoLR... your PoLR should be something that you don't intend to use at all. Of course, whatever your PoLR is, you have an HA of the same shape to sort of compensate. A logical PoLR is fine if you're willing to endure only having the other form of logic, and even that learned from others. A Sensing PoLR is kinda nice because I'm Intuitive and I can let other people worry about that... maybe that's circular. An Intuitive PoLR wouldn't be much practical trouble, but as my current type, that seems like blindness to me... well PoLR might be alright, but not great. Ethical PoLR actually seems like the least terrible to me because if everyone had the same Ethical PoLR, then that function would be minus its main use - unlike Logic, Sensing and Intuition, which aren't as tied to people.
(Didn't actually laugh there, but I couldn't bear to replace the "lol" with any other smiley.)
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Ne and Si PoLR certainly seem the least like a disability, actually. Frustrating (from what I understand on the actual experience of having these PoLRs), yes, but it's not like me not being able to deal with complex logic without graphing it out on paper, or EIIs getting lost really easily.
I wouldn't want to "choose" my PoLR! I want to be free! I want to be free to do what I want to do! I want to be free to ride etc.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
I don't think that I have ever posted on that kind of supervision... however Isha has posted on SLI>LIE supervision, and one or more ILEs (don't remember which) have commented on ILE>LSI supervision. Specifically, Isha was describing her supervision of Expat... I'll go look for that post.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
I'm fine with Fi polr. Se polr would be okay too.
Not that it matters in the slightest.
If I had to start my life over with a different polr, then any attachments i have to elements now would be meaningless as i would have forgotten my past life.
If I had to swiitch now, it would greatly affect my life, so i'd stick with Fi polr.
The end is nigh
Well... it's almost impossible to avoid the type-related bias, but I'm split.
On one hand, I think it would be best to keep my current polr, , because who cares about Te? "I will not consent to facts without secrets." It's just a bunch of fact knowledge, knowledge about how to do things "best," how to gather information "objectively"... in other words total bs.
On the other hand, I think it would be best to have a Se or Ni polr, because people are scared of Se and they think that Ni is useless. So it might help you get along in the world better--in fact, I'm almost positive it would make it easier to live an okay life, a good life, to have an Ni or Se polr. Because the cultural climate (and this is where it's hard to avoid the type bias) is, in my opinion, against Ni and Se. I mean, think about it: if you're Se or Ni ego, in order to express yourself you have to either a) ignore reality and focus on the theory or pattern or meaning behind it, which is hardly conducive to an easy life, or b) exert some measure of force (not necessarily physical force, obviously, but some sort of force) in your daily life, and sure, people like to have force on their side, but too often they are scared of force, and want to depersonalize and control it by some means in order to assuage their own fears of losing control.
Even when you think of the beta quadra, most people think of Fe moreso than Se, Ti, or Ni, because I think American culture, and probably Western culture as a whole, tends to value Fe more than these other ones (and we value Ti, but only in the sense of empiricism, rather than the hierarchical understanding that it often associated with Ti + Se). But this is probably me attempting to take an us-against-the-world view of things. I'd imagine that would be common of beta quadra.
Anyway, it would really suck to have an Ne polr, because Ne seems like a decent balance between intuition and practicality, since "generating ideas" or "brainstorming" is a hallmark of corporate culture. Of course, that's what IEIs and EIEs (and ILIs and LIEs, to an extent...) are for; who needs to know what "could" happen when you know what "will" happen? A polr seems doable. Yeah, I'd probably say Ne is the one I'd least like to have, from a pragmatic standpoint. From a biased perspective, obviously, an Ni polr would be worst... although I almost feel like if you had an Ni polr, you wouldn't know what you were missing. Culture makes it very easy to avoid poetry.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
The easiest to disregard would be clearly Ni, and the hardest most likely Ne. The rational elements aren't such a big deal, because you can get by easily just having one of the pair (Fe or Te, Ti or Fi), even though you would be missing a great chunk of information.
. This is probably my favourite function (which, unfortunately, makes me feel overstimulated rather quickly), but I could see how people could live without it.
. I think it would be very difficult to live and not be able to figure out possibilities that could get me out of tricky situations.[*]It would really suck to have the *insert PoLR here*
Jason
On further consideration, I've decided it would definitely be best to have an Ni polr, and then have Se as an id function; that way you could Se stuff (since everybody wants people to do Se stuff, they just don't want to have to notice it/feel it) but not have it in the forefront of you ego (for the reasons mentioned above).
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Anything but Ni. Or Ne.
I'd pick .
Worst PoLR to have, probably but I'm biased here since those are my ego functions.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Going from observation i'd say the types with -PoLR (ENFP & ESFP) seem able to pretty well brush it off and achieve all sorts of things without it.
People with or -PoLR can do pretty well without it but seem to really struggle when things get messy (which they often do) - not a time to have these sorts of PoLR limitations.
On the other hand -PoLR (and to a lesser extent -PoLR) can really screw you up .... good times or bad. But contrary to others i think that is easier to exhibit than . If you know socionics you're off to a flying start, second you've just got to be more attentive to the individuality of others and not take them for granted.
I think those with -PoLR are at a disadvantage in too many areas of life given that life is essentially competitive and those that can deal with that tend to advance more than those that can't.
ILE
Having an F PoLR has always seemed interesting to me. I imagine it would feel like being unstoppable in your ability to unfetteredly do what you want, except for some strange reason you never manage to unearth, everybody keeps turning on you... but of course it's THEIR fault, not yours!
I really wouldn't care about having Ne as a PoLR. Fi I don't really have an issue with either.
Fe PoLR sounds really difficult, from descriptions.
Talking to my ESI mum, Ne PoLR is like getting mired by details or disoriented by putting out fires to the degree where you're no longer certain if you're on the right path.
As for Si PoLR, much as the constant aches, pains, and indecipherable signals get to me, I think I'd much rather have my dual notice when I'm getting run down and look after me than constantly push such things to the back of my mind
It's not seen as a "what you want" type thing but rather as a kind of freedom to pursue whats "objectively" correct regardless of others feelings ... there's some kind of unspoken expectation that others should be robust enough so as not to be liable to take things personally. Of course from another's point of view it can (and often is) seen as self centredness.
On the flip side if you're really in trouble there's no other type that will put themselves out as much for you as an ENTP or ESTP.
ILE
That probably works because a bunch of ILIs and LIEs got together and thought "what would be the most efficient way to keep our efficiency up and not have to worry about taking care of our bodies," and thus all these solutions were born. But whatever, because I'm all about the working-like-crazy, worrying about the body when you need to business.
I really think that "what is the best/worst polr" is entirely based on what sorts of values (socionics or otherwise) are dominant in one's culture. Cultures come up with solutions for some problems (pills, supplements, things that allow us to ignore our bodies), ignore some problems (possibly the need for ultimate meaning, or meaning that progresses towards the ultimate), and provides no support for others. I'm sure there are/have been cultures in which an Si polr would really suck, and society would not provide anything to help you along if you don't have it together Si-wise. Ours, I think, is not one of them.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
I've been thinking about this for a while and it's really hard to narrow it down, since they're so many disadvantages to having any PoLR
If I had to, probably or
Maybe this is a "grass is always greener" comment but I've noticed Ej's seem to go through life more easily, due to having both the energy and drive to succeed. Although having weak or has its downfalls, it doesn't seem to get in their way of prospering.
and are the worst PoLR's to me. PoLR makes you an easy target to walk all over and PoLR leaves you vulnerable in social situations
EII INFj
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Yeah I know, shes a dear abbey nightmare
I would probably stay with the polr I have .......