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Isn't how that is with most relationships, though? I find most of mine follow that same progression if you're just not that into the person.
I wonder if that's true.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
I think it might also have something to do with where each of the people is going in their lives, which I guess is the case for everyone. But maybe this duality more so? SLIs have a hard time determining the potential of the relationship because of weak ethics and unless able to see concrete goals being met, they stop trying and withdraw. I haven't gotten through the whole thing yet though. I'm sure it will take me a while since it is not particularly easy to understand.
Also, it almost seems like SLIs need to have very concrete goals in mind in order for the relationship to work...like it says here, if they are already looking for a family or a serious relationship...because they have this to work toward? Otherwise it's too uncertain? I don't know....just thinking out loud here.
These are pies with kittens? LOL. I need to randomly start using these phrases.
Hrm, I always thought that was every relationship.. Maybe I was wrong.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
Yes. It's almost like "what the heck happened?" "We were so close and now I have no idea where we are." And making such inquiries would probably be resented by the SLI. I think this is more the case if one or both of the people involved don't really know what they want though. Maybe the relationship would work only if both people have a good idea of what they want in life and out of a relationship?
I can't speak for all, but for me, yes and I think that drives most people crazy. If you don't have goals for the relationship and where it's headed, then what do you have? Not much. I dont know, I like to have things labeled and understood and know where it's going and what they expect out of me and what we are...if they don't provide those answers you're not going to get much out of me. But that's just me being a female i guess.
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lol"Gek really starts sausage"
To clarify, I have no problem with giving people all the space and time they need...as long as I know where we stand. I just hate the "not knowing" part. I think SLIs would view this as needing constant reassurance.
This dynamic:
I think X need more interaction/confirmation than most types, and women typically need more than men. If it's natural for a X to be silent and withdrawn and need alone-time, and also natural for an X(Woman) to need feed-back and company,
Edit:
It's incredibly annoying when other couples do this. I don't like it either, so while I may not talk much, you will at least know where me and you stand. Basically i'm either with you or not.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
What the situation was such that it made it impossible to know these things? In this case, it woulnd't be up to either person to be able to define anything in concrete terms. I would think the IEE would have a much easier time dealing with this, whereas I could see the SLI as being completely disappointed with the situation...which would cause him/her to withdraw, etc.
I know what you mean. I'm not big on labels either. But I do get the essence of what Jessica is saying...I think for me it translates into "knowing where we stand." I'm OK with the future being uncertain, but I do have a need for feedback (like you said earlier). This feedback doesn't have to be verbal for me, but rather through consistency in actions, I think.
That's all I really want. I'm at the point now where i'm just sick of being in relationships where the other doesn't make it known what their intentions are. I guess I can't complain because I never reveal these things myself so it's not really fair. If they don't, that's when I withdraw and leave it all up to them. It's a bit harsh but that's how it is for me. If you don't come out and say "WE'RE DATING, I LIKE YOU", i tend to start assuming we're just on the friendship level and things go south very fast. I don't pick up on hints very easily.
This is good to hear...that at least some SLIs do want this. My experience has been my making my intentions very clear and the other person resenting my need to know the same...or rather, expecting me to "just know"...which I would have no problem doing if there was consistency in actions (if this makes any sense).
Exactly! This feeling of uncertainty is the worst. If you could just act in accordance to how you feel/what you want, I would know and could then know in which direction to go. I assume this could only be achieved with someone that, like I said before, knows what they want...so maybe this has been the cause of the problem I've observed.
It's very hard for me to be open about what I want. When I do make it known, i make it known and I think it intimidates and scares the other person involved. If pushed to the max, I can be extremely blunt about it and things are never really the same after that. I'm not going to lie, being in a relationship with me has got to be extremely difficult. I could never date myself.
The thing is, I'll be dating someone for a few months and keep things cool and relaxed and keeping up the front of "not caring" and then one day just get super pissed and and frustrated and let it all out and they are completely taken aback and shocked and it makes things awkward from then on out. That's really not a good way to deal with things and I've realized it's never good to keep things bottled in until they explode like that but I'm a master at it. If i were blunt from the get-go I don't think it'd be a problem.
I did meet someone who appreciated it. Things didn't work but it thoroughly amused him to watch me fly off the handle from time to time and lay it all out on the table because hey, i finally showed some sort of emotion. Those are really the only times and the only ways I can ever be completely 100% honest with someone about how i feel for them. Piss me off and there you have it, the truth. It was very comical for him, ha.
I would think it would be best to have a good balance between being completely blunt from the beginning and completely bottling things in until they explode. I personally would not find it appealing if someone was blunt from the get-go either. I like the fact that not everything is so apparent with SLIs and think I'm usually pretty good at reading their actions (as long as I'm not getting super mixed signals). I think it is important that you feel comfortable with what you are sharing and how much you are giving. It would be unrealistic to expect to be completely blunt and "out there" with your feelings at first if this goes against your nature. I think it is more a matter of trusting yourself enough to not feel such a strong need to keep up "the front" at all times for fear of being vulnerable.
See, this is something that would bother me. I'd rather get this re-assurance in a calm, Si-like way the way LV mentioned. I can't deal with someone just flying off handle at me, especially if I'm depending on this as our only form of communication.
Me too. It's like "you either want this or you don't. Make up your mind."
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
Hey, why should I curve my natural caregiver tendencies?
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
Yes, it's true
I've calmed down a bit when it comes to flying off the handle as I realize it's crazy. I can't help when i get passionate about certain things. Actually, the more I think about it, he was the only one that has made me ever loose my cool. The only form of communication we had consisted of scream-fests. It was a very unhealthy relationship and I haven't done it since.
Are you saying you have more than enough Si to go around?
This is good Jessica. I would also consider a relationship where communication occured this way, as unhealthy and extremely draining. I wish people realized how much better we could understand one another if we just talked about things without resorting to screaming, losing your cool, personal attacks or being closed off to what the other person is saying. Good for you for realizing this!
Hahahaha.
I'd like to say for the record: Mimosa and Sirena like LokiV and Jessica!!!!
I agree that the fact you would get frustrated enough to scream could probably mean that you care enough about the person to do so, but ultimately we're talking about effective ways of communicating these feelings, not about the feelings themselves. There's not much point in a relationship where respect and consideration are lacking, even if you love each other.
Yeah. He was really the only person I um...what's that L word again? lol. You get my drift. I think he realized what you just said here and that's why he appreciated it...no one since him has ever affected me that much and that in itself is a bit sad. It's unfortunate that things had to end but my gosh, we both couldn't take it anymore.
I could see how someone that values Fe>Fi would appreciate the explosions as an expression of feelings, so I guess it is all subjective and about what each person values/does not value in the other.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire