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Can a mod or admin merge it with the "most evil quadra" thread, DA made ?
That seems quite improbable. If you really want him to be a Ne/Si valuer, ESTj would be the only sensible option.
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I agree with alpha NT, preferring LII as the most reasonable choice. A clear Enneagram 5 imo as well. Certainly not an 8.
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Pied Piper, I was around for most of those quotes and more, and I distinctly recall that he promoted himself as part of the classical socionics consensus between him and the Royals.
I actually always kind of suspected he might be LII, as his explanations of socionics seemed logical and well-ordered and brimming with Ti. His posts seemed to be focused on the question of "What is the proper logical classification of this object's underlying nature?" (Ti+Ne) rather than "How can we increase the efficiency of this object so that it performs better over time?" (Te+Ni).
The major thing holding me back from actually going ahead and labelling him "LII" in my mental list of types, is the fact that he was highly intelligent and understood socionics better than the majority of people, making an error of self-typing very strange. So I usually just end up putting the problem on a shelf in the back of my mind somewhere, and labelling it "Re-open if Expat ever comes back".
Quaero Veritas.
If a highly intelligent guy mistyped himself, he mistyped others in the process. Plain and simple. Anyone is pretending to the throne ?
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Suit yourself, but a few quotes taken out of context won't override what's well known about this forum's politics.
Anyway, if you have access, I suggest you check out the socionics workshop, especially Expat's private forum (he goes by the name "Brock Landers"). He wrote a lot about his personal life there.
Pied Piper, you've taken those quotes completely out of context. He addressed those points when someone else had raised them, usually when that person themselves was pleading to an apparent consensus of the majority.
He doesn't have Ne in his speech. ENTj-Te has always worked for him in my mind. ESTj-Te is possible too, I guess. INTjs are much more playful and witty than expat, who's boring and authoritative.
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The earlier quotes only show him stating his opinions about Socionics not being too empirical and yet there are some interpretations by some individuals which are palpably false even by its own standards. I think you fail to appreciate that he sees Socionics as a hobby horse, not something worth arguing with people who are seemingly stupid out of maliciousness.
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Expat is 100% LIE-Te.
This thread however does prove nicely how people can easely interpretate IM totally wrong when trying to type writings. Not necesseraly the fault of the interpretator, but rather the difficulty of typing writings.
This is true. As I've said before, there are two main factors involved in typing people correctly: 1) Understanding socionics correctly, and 2) Understanding the personality of the subject correctly. A lot of people are good at one, but not the other.
What evidence leads you, personally, to that typing? I like to accumulate as much evidence as possible from both sides before drawing conclusions.
Quaero Veritas.
LIE. Met him in person. Blatant Te dominant, Narrator out the ass, very obvious Si PoLR. Not a typing I have any questions about whatsoever.
Right from line one of this quote suggests . Chemical engineering is an applied science and this implies applying concepts, systems and processes to produce something efficient and effective.Originally Posted by Expat
Key thoughts/words for are - efficiency of an action, technical processes, the accomplishment of work, the efficient and prudent use of resources, factual accuracy, and the acquisition of relevant and useful information. Te understands the difference between effective and ineffective behavior when performing a procedure or accomplishing a task, and aspires to increase the frequency of productive outcomes within a system. - the Chemical engineering field is riddled with these types of thought processes.
Assuming Expat has worked as a Chemical Engineer for a good portion of his life, and this is compatible with this thought processing (ie he doesn't desperately long to be an 'artiste'), this fact weighs more than incidental posts on a forum taken out of context, that indicates fair but occasional use of his eighth function during his spare time. Regardless, he spent most of his time on the forum discussing the efficient and effective application of socionics - discussing, explaining, reformulating ideas, concepts using facts and experience to better convey the message - not that he is creating any system. This is not
By the way, PP, the fact that he doesn't actively post, could very well mean he has a life outside of this forum and doesn't have time to argue minutae, not that he withdraws like LII's do.
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No, what I wrote is quite clear. We've discussed this before endless times, and other members have pointed this out. You continue to pull shit out of context. Even my experiment designed for you demonstrates clearly that basing someone's type strictly on posts is not an effective method.
This is the most laughable thread I've ever seen. I've met him in real life many times and he is a clear LIE. All real Gammas moved to socionics workshop, or are actually doing something productive/worthy in life.
Hm, yes, this is true. Either way, though, whether he's Alpha or Gamma he seems to be using a lot of Id functions. I'll file this in my "pro-Gamma" column.
To Ezra and those who have met Expat in person: you have an advantage that those of us who have not met him don't have. Why not describe some details of your interactions with him, instead of laughing at those with less information than you?
Quaero Veritas.
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Maybe not, but so far it seems as if everyone who has met him in person is absolutely sure he is LIE.
Some impressions based on my interaction with him: lots of Te, but too oblivious of his surroundings to be LSE; definitely an extrovert; responds well to Fi and Se; uses lots of Te when advising someone (does not offer Si at all); looks elsewhere for Fi interpretations of situations or contexts and appreciates them greatly.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
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No, he was more concerned with where I was going with myself, that I might not take advantage of all my opportunities for personal advancement because of a need to deal with internal turmoil and such.
Yeah I agree, his job is pretty irrelevant. But meeting him, that is relevant, and I tell you, I know many LIIs, and he is most definitely not one.You didn't get it. The quote is relevant into how he deals with people, with explaining and how he views their reasoning. His job is irrelevant, what the hell are you rambling about?
And when the fuck did you start pretending to be ESI.